The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch | Travis Taylor

here at s pons with Travis tayor and J Stratton um can you tell me a little bit about what Skinwalker Ranch is that’s want yeah right well um Skinwalker Ranch is this 512 acre property in the middle of Utah it’s it’s about a three-hour Drive due east of Salt Lake City just to give you some references to where it is and for more than a century uh people have reported in recorded history reported strange uh phenomena occurring there including seeing uh uh balls of light and and even uh uh metallic objects flying into and out of the Mesa uh there and and we know now that we found a petlift that’s been dated to be 600 to a th000 years old that depicts something very similar that this place is is been known for you know since recorded history uh effectively in North America uh as strange phenomena

occurring there which include shape-shifting uh creatures uh um weird booming like the voice of God so to speak coming to people and I don’t mean God specifically but that kind of uh phenomena uh UFOs and orbs of Life chasing uh animals cattle mutilations animal mutilations all sorts of really weird all the weird things you can think of mies them in a pot and you got Skinwalker wrench right and uh this is a real scientific investigation that we’re performing there to get to the bottom of it and see what it what’s really happening there and it’s not your typical um you know we’re just you know chasing trying to get a picture of a of a Bigfoot or whatever not I’m not sliding those guys what I’m saying is th this really is a lot of scientific instruments uh uh scientist uh and visiting scientist as well uh coming to

the investigation and it stems not just from uh the present era but uh Jay uh with the US government uh and Dia and he can tell you all about it but does was had an interest in Skinwalker wrench back in the late 90s early 2000s so Jay you want yeah so Skinwalker Ranch is a Williams cause a unique spot on the planet but uh defin in United States where early in the in the 2000s as Travis said uh the def intelligence agency uh we started a new UFO program uh to to really kind of dive into the topic again because things that were being seen things were being reported but not being dealt with and in that process we we let a contract and had one bidder on that contract and and it was a company called Bigalow airspace which is a Las Vegas base company uh Robert

Bigalow um you billionaire there in the airspace space industry uh was our prime contractor and he owned skwalker Ranch at the time and as an analyst inside the Intel Community you know you’re Trad you’re looking at traditional topics and you’re seeing aircrafts right ships submarines you those things you can see you can go do you know go to air shows and see these aircrafts and other things but what do you do if you’re the UFO Guy where do you go see these things right and and Robert Bigalow said hey one place in the country you can go see these things this SK Ranch and and we went out to skiner Ranch and in my first day there I saw something so it’s it’s it’s real it’s there the investigation that we’re conducting to this day is finding new things and and every bit of this is is based in reality but also the

with a lot of questions right this the investigation you we’ve got all the sensors out there we got everything going on but we still don’t really understand what we’re seeing but the trend is the phenomena that we see at skwalker Ranch is tied to the phenomenon anytime we’ve got a pilot reporting UAP UFOs you know it all it’s all linked you know they’re reporting the same kinds of things you know the different things that we pick up at the ranch we we get anytime you’re near these objects from any other military platform Etc say it’s all tied together and still somewhat of a mystery to to what’s going on and why and the key uh is I’ve talked about this in other forums is that there is is no government funding source in this country to study and investigate get to the bottom of the UAP things uh you know

there’s no real while while there’s uh Arrow now uh they’re not funding actual Research into it uh and the best way to get funding to do this is through entertainment and what better way to do a research project like this that if you don’t get the public to believe you anyway then you’re not going to keep the interest uh of potential uh donors funding uh uh places and so on and and and research is expensive I mean you got to feed your family for one you got to have a day job right well this is our day job and uh uh then then you also have to buy equipment you got to pay people to come and do things uh uh visiting scientists you got to pay them or they don’t people don’t do things for free that’s just how it works and what we discovered is both China and Russia

have been taking this very seriously and have big programs and have had big programs for decades but the United States isn’t not they won’t take it seriously for whatever reason uh so this is our effort to take it seriously you BL so the property right now is it owned by an individual or business it’s owned by Brandon Fugal he’s a Salt Lake City real estate mobile he’s the person who bought it from Bob Bigalow when Bob was done with the ranch and basically I think it was so confusing and and uh um frustrating uh for him that he finally you know threw in the towel and sold the property Brandon is really interested in learning that he’s he was originally very skeptical that there was anything to it and and as as Jay said on his first dat first day Brandon went out there um physically they they saw some

phenomena that was lifechanging for and so Brandon then started pushing to have an actual real scientific investigation done on on the property so any reports of maybe like military bases near the property any magnetic offsets in the earth anything that could scientifically explain some of this so we’ve been looking for all of that um we’ve asked every one you know I was a civil servant with the US Army for uh uh 28 years uh Jay was in the with with the Air Force in the Navy for for 30 3 years 33 years and and we have we were part of the research for this part of the teams we we know all the people we’ve called everybody everybody claims it’s not them it’s not us we’re not doing it and uh and it’s really interesting though there have been times where we’ve had military style

aircraft uh come over and collect and seem to be collecting intelligence over the wrench while we’re there so I find that really intriguing and really interesting and we can’t get any want to own up to it being them you know whether it was some guys doing training and were out touring and sight seeing us and shouldn’t have been right or it was someone doing something nefarious without a fisa warrant either way somebody needs to own up to it and let us know what they were doing because it’s been many many times it’s happened and you asked about magnetic magnetic anomalies yes the entire Ranch oh the entire Ranch is one big magnetic Electro is an electromagnetic anomaly and temporal anomaly spatial anomaly I mean uh GPS clocks don’t work right on the ranch uh other precise clocks we’ve used fail uh lose time gain time uh randomly

uh data cards and cameras sound sound bags all those things data cards are uh randomly pieces of the data will be taken out um moments that were a particular thing might have been happening that if you’d had just the right uh angle on it with this particular camera well that camera will will have turned itself off or it was on but recorded all the data card is written to nothing but zeros right and then we see that all the time something we have physical evidence of something hacking into our electronic systems um and in fact we had one instant where uh I was looking at our live feeds I was at home in Alabama for the weekend uh visiting with my family and I was looking on my phone at the camera system that we have that I could see through the internet and I was seeing a physical

phenomena occurring on the phone live on the live feed and had called the ranch and had uh Eric Bard the principal investigator go outside and look at that spot and nothing was happening but I’m sitting here watching it live on the camera so something was hacking through our camera system and we can’t no nobody’s ever been able to prove who it was or what it was or how it even could be done but we have that kind of thing happen all the time so the question would be then from me to you guys and your opinion on this uh besides you know uh aliens UFOs um government interference let’s say do you think that it could be anything Supernatural do you think it could be uh ghostly demonic well so let me I don’t like I don’t like the the I the the idea or the

words paranormal Supernatural because they uh uh they they suggest something that can’t be understood right uh and if we put it in that box then it’s it’s in the box that can never be understood then it doesn’t do us any good but I’ll tell you this uh the rabbi Ariel’s a do pointed something out to me once U and I had him out to the ranch because he saw a Navajo ritual that looked very similar to a Hebrew ritual and so we had him come do the Hebrew ritual and had some really interesting phenomena occurred when he did um but he said well what’s the definition of an angel or a demon or a God they’re not up this Earth that makes them an extraterrestrial so whatever is going on be it something uh from the you say something maybe say for the afterlife or

or or spiritual that could be part of the universe we just don’t understand yet right and so I put it in the box like that as opposed to it being something that couldn’t be understood as opposed to us looking at it from what we can understand and developing a better understanding of the universe and I think the ranch has really given us an opportunity to do that and we we just had the season five finale and I had some of the last words on that that the final episode and and I was asked what’s next right and I was is trying to communicate something’s trying to communicate it’s how we understand yeah you know it call it whatever you want to call it uh but something does seem to be communicating or attempting to so if we can get to the point where we can

understand that maybe it’s you know lifechanging message or where it’s uh somebody’s shopping list you know comes yeah but tune in I was gonna say it does seem like you’re five seasons there’s got to be a lot of interest out there you know after checking some of the episodes out and stuff like that I’m into aliens and all this other stuff that goes on I was in the Navy myself for eight years and I was deployed and when we’d be out at Sea we would see whatever it’s just like in the middle of nowhere but we all know there’s something going on out there but it’s just stuff that we basically we just communicated back to our to the ship and then the ship communicates to Washington that’s how sort of like yeah there’s maybe something that’s out there but um and it came to us it actually came to us

yeah that’s right yeah yeah so um uh just knowing that and you know being part of the show for Five Seasons how how do you feel about it like do you think you’re like I said uh it feels like you’re reaching a lot of people how do you feel like are you getting more and more people to tune in and and and and bring up questions to you guys you know stuff like that is it yeah certainly the general public uh seems to be uh paying attention yeah uh and not only that um we’ve had a lot of congressional and Senate interest uh some state government interest um so people are paying attention in a way they’ve never paid attention before uh and what’s really you know they always say when they the naysayers start screaming the loudest is when you know you’re right over Target

well the debunkers they go out of their way through through all sorts of crazy explanations to debunk everything that we say and instantly I mean I literally was on a stage not unlike here at ComicCon on stage presenting some data before I walked off the stage a particular debunker had already posted what my charts that were on the screen that he had screen captured from a podcast or a stream and it was already putting it on X debunking it right that’s how how vient that debunking Community is which but specifically to us two really a lot right and so uh to me it leads me to think man we must really be you know scratching the nerve but somebody doesn’t want to scratch it you know you know we’re hit the mark because the the debunking has gone from debunking the data through some little

lens to attacking us personally yeah right and then trying to say Well they’re not even credible yeah yeah right so that’s that’s where we’re at I think so I so I think that uh we’re in a really good uh position really good time the the secret Skinwalker wrench is a perfect platform for us to reach more and more people I mean uh and and I think it’s called The Curse of Skinwalker wrench in in Europe in that market but uh but we’re reaching them as well so we’re globally reaching out uh to people to see that and here’s the thing zero of what you see on the show is made up nothing is made everything is 100% the only thing that might be say out of time or whatever would be like a oh something happened and somebody says hey look at that but there wasn’t a

]camera pointed in that that direction and so they’ll say wait a minute would you say that again or or they’ll come back a week later oh we forgot we didn’t get that video of you saying that would you say it again that would be the only thing that anybody could say was TV production right the rest of it is completely the scientific inves vation and and what I what I tell people this isn’t a TV show it’s a documentary of a scientific investigation and that’s the key importance difference from your typical you know paranormal honey show so to speak right this is the the show is our platform for showing the results of our research go when you’re on the property do you feel different who it depends on what’s going on there have been times where um phenomena have occurred that U have had effects U we we had one guy that we

]were sitting at table not much bigger than this uh talking and he just fell over and grabbed his head in extreme pain and um we rushed him off to the emergency room and he had some sort of event and U he lost a few uh hours of time and he don’t remember things that happen that we tell him you know this is what happened while you were there and he actually talked to his wife while he was there and then the next morning he called his wife started telling her stuff she said well you told me this last night so I didn’t talk to you but of course the phone record say that he did and his wife says he did so the these things uh occur we have one guy that’s fairly regular out there he’s a from the rocket company that we use uh

and he every time he gets there when things start to happen uh he he says he feels like he’s in an MRI machine and and he’ll get goosebumped all over his body and his hair will stand up on his on his arms and stuff and and he just he’s like he’s I’m tingling all over and then he’s kind of like a canary you know we know something’s about to happen and U uh I’ve had a couple of events and uh I think probably 50% of the people that go there something happens there are people that nothing ever happens to yeah kind of like those Spidey senses right you know you feel something the the human instinct you’re everything just starts standing up you’re like there’s something happening and you get like walking down the street but there’s actually something happening like you oh you know somebody or a ball flies by or

something you know but you get that that that tingy the human body is an amazing sensor it’s got a bunch of different sensors that we truly don’t understand and you got a quantum computer and here in your brain processing it all real time faster than any supercomputer and so you could be that that six cense is really the the combining of all those senses and seeing data that you don’t really realize is there you know how do you know that somebody’s sneaking up behind you sometimes because you you something you feel it sometimes right so you’re you’re you probably picked up a change in the air temperature or a smell or or a sound or just something that that you’re that you weren’t conscious of but your brain processed it and and gave you that fight ORF flight reflex or something I mean it’s got sniper school

that tell you not to stare your target cuz they they they’ll some kind of six sense like they’ll know you’re looking yeah you get this feeling and out at the ranch I mean the part that you can’t you can’t really show on the on the television aspect of it is this this emotional response you get you ask how you feel out there I I feel great most of the time but there are times when you feel things that are completely unexplainable you shouldn’t be afraid but now you’re afraid makes no sense you shouldn’t be angry but now you’re angry you shouldn’t be sad but now you’re sad I mean there’s and it happens like that and and uh in fact in part of our safety briefing When anybody new come on what we actually tell them um it the ranch affects everybody differently and and it

may affect you in a way that you may suddenly get nauseous or dizzy like vertigo you may start getting really mad you may get have some hyper emotional state um you may uh you may just kind of be in a days like sort of catonic uh it could happen it could happen in any way you might just start tasting uh some of the signs though early signs is tasting metallic taste in your mouth or smelling burned plastic and what we’ve learned is uh there’s a chemical response in your brain that that those are the two things that your brain U when it’s exposed to electromagnetic fields it’ll it’ll trigger that sense while you’re not actually smelling burned plastic that’s what your brain is is perceiving and the same way with the metallic taste and so we watch for those as signs that something’s happening that you’re more

susceptible to it so we need to move move you away from the phenomena you know because we don’t know how it’s going to affect you if you stayed there and so that’s kind of how we approach it Y is there anything that you’d like to tell fans or newcomers to the series if you’re newcomer you need to watch all the old episodes because you’ve you’ve not seen all the buildup and why we’re doing what we’re doing because this has been an evolving ongoing scientific investigation with a lot of rigor and and one thing that you must realize is everybody says why didn’t you go do this or why didn’t you do this thing or why didn’t you do that thing after you did that thing well we did those things but it didn’t make it into the 42 and a half minutes that they put on the television show right uh

because we have thousands of hours of of of footage and data and sensor information for each episode that they have to cut down into 42 and a half minutes a and so uh if you are looking at that you realize well um okay I understand why if you actually did it it probably if it gave you the same results or something not worth watching and so it didn’t make the Cutting Room floor uh now I will tell you we do have an insiders website that we do discuss about the things deeper so you can look for that if you’re interested but um and they can monitor the cameras for oh yeah we have cameras live there too but uh the the uh the and we’ve actually had people spot things that then has led us to going and doing other investigations for the show and for the research and

and but I I would say the first thing to realize is that we’re not blowing smoke up your butt this isn’t made up it’s not a fake show uh everything is happening in the moment when we act excited and say holy crap what is that we really mean holy crap what is that because we don’t know what it is and as you saw if you saw the panel earlier apparently there’s a montage I’m becoming a meme I guess I’m saying holy crap or what the crap what the world is that you’re trending right yeah I mean that’s the key right nothing’s faked uh it’s all nothing scripted and uh we’re not actors because uh my show might be a hell of a lot better if we were actors yeah right so yeah season five you’re doing good yeah well we’re starting season six Monday yeah go so yeah the

only thing scripted is basically an experiment experiment script you know we’re going to do this experiment this way at this time we’re doing this at that time we’re doing that at that time we’re doing that and whatever happens and nothing ever happens the way had I was going to say requires it’s Dynamic right nothing go that nothing sures in be contact I mean some of the best things uh some of the best things we find or we were planning to do something we start doing it then something happens over here and we shift Focus completely we run we run and do that and we get some of the craziest most amazing stuff that we’ve seen and that’s just the way it is that’s what happens and and and and again it it could happen any time of day any time of night you know it’s a

]it’s a crazy place and we’re collecting 247 so you can always go back and you know like you said earlier sometimes you find this you don’t necessarily find it all real time you find it later oh we’ve got a lot of time we’ve got pedabytes of data that we still haven’t gone through and who knows what’s in it right no awesome well I want to thank you guys for your time and I hope you’re enjoying San Comic Con yeah it’s great to meet you yeah it’s nice to meet you all thanks for having us