UFOs, Skinwalker Ranch & Conspiracy Theories: Buy It or BS?

You ever been rolling through Nebraska at 21:17 in the morning, nothing but corn fields, stars so bright they don’t even look real? And you just start thinking, “What if we’re not alone? What if the government knows more than they’re saying?
What if ancient civilizations were wiped out by something from the sky?
What if there’s a ranch in Utah where compasses spin, cattle drop, and things walk that don’t belong here? Tonight, we are definitely not talking about politics. We’re not storming anything.
We’re not decoding tweets. We’re talking UAPs. We’re talking Skinwalker Ranch.
And we’re talking ancient cataclysms and conspiracies.
Because let’s be honest, long haul drivers have spent more time staring at the night sky than NASA interns. Jake Debo’s here. I’ve got questions. And if we disappear mid episode, just assume that some of our speculation was right.
This is the Liquid Trucking Podcast.
Let’s get weird.
>> Welcome to the Gold Standard of Podcast for the gold standard of drivers. This is the Liquid Trucking Podcast with your host Marcus Bridges.
What’s up everybody and welcome to the Liquid Trucking Podcast. Thank you so much for being here today. I of course am your host Marcus and I am joined by my co-host Amanda. Good to see you today Amanda. How’s things going out in Ohio today?
>> Fantastic. Other than the fact that I’ve got the X-Files theme song stuck in my head on repeat right now, prepping for this combo, man.
So bad. That’s a good day to have it stuck in your head, though, because if there is a theme for today’s uh topic, it’s definitely the X-Files theme. Uh today we are jumping into conspiracy theories. And a lot of your heads go to politics when we go conspiracy theories.
We’re staying way away from that garbage today. We’re going to have some fun.
We’re going to talk aliens. We’re going to talk uh geography, ancient geography.
And we’re going to talk anomalies from soup to nuts. Really, Amanda? I mean, anomalies is one good way to kind of group a lot of the stuff that we’re going to talk about today into one category. Um, and I guess that category is kind of just the unexplained.
>> Anytime you have a conversation where you can name drop the Mariana’s Trench, like, I’m down. Let’s do it.
>> Yeah, that’s true. We also dropped Ring of Fire. Uh we there were some uh there are some geological terms in this conversation that we’re about to have coming up here that uh I think you guys might have a little bit higher opinion of the 6 in between all of our ears after this because we actually sat down and did research for this episode. We’ve got facts. We’ve got things that are unproven that are up for skepticism or full-on belief. It depends on who you are. Um and and overall it’s just I love talking about this stuff. This to me is um you know sometimes during football season I’ll have a few guys that are that live out of town that are my longtime college friends and they’ll come back and we’ll watch an Oregon Ducks game and then we’ll come back and we’ll come up here into my studio and we’ll start cracking beers and 3:00 in the morning happens like that. I mean it’s just there and this is the type of stuff that we’ll get into talking about.
It’s this. It’s old athletes that aren’t around anymore that we wish we could still watch and punk rock. Those are the three things we talk about.
And I and I like to think that if I was a driver, this is the type of stuff that I would I if I was going to use my CV or if I was in a party chat with some guys, a party line, or if I use Discord to talk to random people, this is some of the stuff that would really hook me and I would just want to talk about it. Um, and I think maybe Amanda, the reason that it does hook me so much is because we live in such a world of black and white, right and wrong. And this stuff can’t be painted with those brushes because we just don’t know enough. And for a a guy that just enjoys the conversation, keep going. Like, I just want it to keep going. Uh, this is perfect for me because there is no answer and you can’t convince me that you’ve got one, you know?
>> Yeah. It’s fun though. It opens up your imagination just like you’re a kid all over again. But I got to say, I’m impressed with the three of us. Step Aside, Neil Degrass, Tyson. Okay. Cuz we’ve got it covered when we’re talking conspiracy theories.
>> Absolutely we do. And Jake Debo is going to join us here in just a minute to talk about those. Uh as always though, first, you know, we got to hammer down with some homework. Uh podcast.lquidtrucking.com is the website. And if you haven’t been there in a while, you got to go check it out. It’s fresh. It’s updated all the time. our guy Tyler uh working throughout the night to make that website excuse me what it is. I just had a little burp that was kind of an anomaly there. Didn’t see it coming.
Can’t explain.
>> My conspiracy theory is you were chugging a Coca-Cola before you went on.
>> Uh it’s it’s zero sugar Baja Blast actually.
>> Oh my god, I was half right.
Yeah, for those of you Well, nobody can see this because we don’t use the video, but yeah, I just showed off my Baja Blast can because I’m a Taco Bell kid from the word go. You’re you’re not going to have to pry Baja Blast from my cold dead fingers and yeah, it’s going to cause an oddly timed burp every now and then. My apologies for that. Uh, but over at the website, as I was saying, podcast.lordtrucking.com, liquiding.com.
You can also find a link for that email that comes directly to us, podcasttrucking.com.
And I really wanted to draw your attention to that because what we found out in the uh interview with Jake that you’re about to hear is that we have way too much to talk about for one episode on this topic and we want you drivers to bring us some to break down next time.
So podcast liquidtrucking.com.
After you’ve listened to this, you’ll have a really good idea of the type of stuff that we want to talk about next time. So send in your ideas. Amanda, I don’t want to wait any longer. We had such an awesome time with Jake. Let’s bring him in.
You know, Amanda, it’s really hard to stay in front of a microphone when you’re jumping from foot to foot with excitement like I am right now. Uh I I am so excited about our our next guest and our next segment. We’ve actually been considering doing this episode going back like two months now, and we finally have a spot for it and a guy joining us here. Uh we’ve got Jake Debo back and guess what? We’re not talking about hockey this time. Jake, welcome back to the program, man. Glad to have you >> as always, Marcus. Pleasure to be here today.
>> Now, you sort of put this kernel of this idea in my head, Jake. Kind of like conspiracy theories. What do we know?
What do we not know? And you kind of uh open my eye open my mind to this as like a podcast topic. Typically, I don’t like to jump into things that I can’t at least educate myself on and and be enough of a chameleon behind the microphone that it at least sounds like I have done some research. I’ve read through it and I’ve caught myself up.
And Amanda, I wonder if that’s something that that’s touched you in your career as well. Um, I the reason I always kind of keep conspiracy theories at arms length is because I’m a not enough of a skeptic to ask the right questions and b I I’m I don’t know. I can believe some of this stuff. Like I don’t know that I believe it as much as I just kind of that would be really cool if that was true. So Amanda, how do you feel about talking, you know, highlevel conspiracy theories on the air? So, um, my husband and I, we used to own a very large barber shop, okay, with like 10 barbers in there. And I’m sure you can imagine some of the conversations that went on and it was like sports and conspiracy theories. It’s the craziest thing. I don’t know why. Um, but that was definitely one of the topics that was heavy and also among like my husband’s friends. So, they will like get him into these things that he like will be fixated on for a few weeks at a time before I just have to completely destroy him. Um, and then also like early on earlier on in my career, I had I had my first major celebrity heartbreak because of a conspiracy theory.
>> I had like a really huge crush on Kyrie Irving when he was on the Cavs Championship year, you know, like big deal. And you know where this is going, don’t you?
>> Because I couldn’t believe it. I couldn’t believe it when he brought it up. I was like, really? That’s the That’s your hill? Okay.
>> So embarrassing. And everybody knew I was like in love with this dude and I had worked events with him and it got like really close to, you know, like maybe being something like that never happens. This is your celebrity crush.
And then this man says I believe the earth is flat and I just >> like and everybody’s like your boy. I’m like that is not my boy. I’m not believing him now.
>> Like he really truly believed the earth was flat. And so, you know, when I say first heartbreak because of a conspiracy theory, that’s that’s the one right there. Like, man, >> but that’s hilarious.
>> Like, you you fly on planes all the time, Kyrie. Like what?
>> Jake, that’s something as a sports fan that I got to bring up to you and and get your take on it because sometimes uh our athletes, our beloved athletes, the guys that we spend so much time and money investing, we let their performance dictate our feeling for a week and then they come out and say something like what Kyrie Irving did.
Does that ever set you off as like, I don’t know if I can root for that guy as hard anymore? Honestly, you know, uh it’s you I I had I gotta come clean here. I haven’t done the research on the flat earth stuff. So, how can I sit here and say >> stop it, Jake, RIGHT NOW? THAT’S EXACTLY WHY we’re here and say that he’s not and he’s he’s completely wrong. Not >> Wait, is this the prank episode? I’m confused. What are you doing?
>> Hey, all I can think for Kyrie’s sake is he’s probably up in these planes flying around and he’s probably thinking to himself, “Huh, it looks pretty flat for me.
>> Looks pretty flat.” Yeah.
>> I don’t know. But >> a lot a lot of these guys don’t finish their education. All right. They get athletic and they they don’t really the school that’s a back burner thing, right?
>> Yeah. I think Kyrie, he was definitely very much of the one and done era um in college for sure. Uh but you know, at the same time, hey, these guys got a lot when they’re not playing or practicing, they got a lot of free time on their hands, a lot of time to fill their head with a lot of different things. So yes, >> us regular people, you know, we’re busy all day working, working, you know, just the rat race of life. And so we don’t have the time to dive into these things.
So, I’m not going to fault a guy for just getting distracted on a a interesting topic. Let’s leave it at that.
>> Interesting, for sure. And and that is sort of the the the reason behind today is like long long road trips are great for conspiracy chat, right? Sitting at the truck stop just talking on the CB to somebody that you don’t know. That’s great for conspiracy chat. And we want to sort of bring that flavor to you here today. So, I’ve got a few of these that I’ve looked up and I’m just going to start going through them here. I know Jake, you’ve done some research, Amanda, you’ve done some research. Uh, some of these might overlap, but feel free to interject and jump in. Um, I’m going to start with the big one, the one that I think has been the most mainstream over the past, I’m going to say 5 years due to the time stamp I’ve got on this. Uh, but that is the UAP phenomenon, which I kind of hate calling them UAPs because they’re not unidentified aerial phenomenon in my generation, the millennial generation. They are UFOs, unidentified flying objects. And back in 2020, the United States Department of Defense officially released Navy videos captured by FA18 pilots showing unidentified aerial phenomena. Now, these are titled the tic-tac video, the gimbal video, and the go fast video.
Now, if you guys haven’t seen any of these videos, I highly recommend once you’re pulled over or once you got a minute, just stop and look at them cuz they’re definitely worth the watch. Uh, but this actually this incident happened in 2004, and it took the government 16 years to decide that our little brains could handle it. Um, and the tic-tac uh, incident involved the USS Nimtt’s carrier strike group along with commander David Fraver who was flying the jet at the time that the equipment picked this tic-tac-shaped image up. It was a white capsule-shaped object with no wings, no visible exhaust plume on infrared and uh, instant acceleration.
Just it would disappear and they would see it someplace else on the radar. Kind of crazy. Uh, it dropped from 60,000 ft elevation to sea level in seconds and it jammed the plane’s radar multiple times while they were up there. The other thing that’s not listed in my research here that this object did was fly directly to Commander David Fraver’s FA18 CAT point, which is where they were headed. The pl the point that’s plotted on their map that that is where the flight ends. when they lost it, they didn’t find it again until they got where they were going. And there it was.
Now, in 2023, the Pentagon’s UAP office called ARO said they have no verified evidence of extraterrestrials, but also admitted many of these cases remain unexplained.
This one for me is a big one, you guys, because I have seen the videos. I’ve listened to God knows how many podcasts.
And of course, the big one here is always Joe Rogan. Yes, I’ve listened to Commander David Fraver on Joe Rogan.
I’ve also listened to him on about 10 or 12 other different ones describe this and the story has never changed. Um, have you have you guys seen these videos? I’ll just start out by asking you that, Amanda. Have you watched any of these? The gimbal, the Tic Tac, or the Go Fast? I haven’t seen any of the videos, but I feel like I’ve seen enough things with my own eyeballs that I don’t need to see the videos and I don’t need somebody to tell me what’s true, what’s not true if I have seen it. Um, and honestly, people listening along, like if you drive, you might be familiar with this area, but actually it was my move back from Oregon. um moving back to the state of Ohio and uh long drive and you go across quite a few states but there’s an area the Nevada Test and Training Range >> um 2.9 million acres it’s north of Las Vegas major military desert area operated by the Air Force. Okay.
>> And I remember there was like a bunch of signs before you head into that area.
Make sure you get gas now, etc., etc.
You are not allowed to stop. You are not allowed to pull over. Nothing. And we drove through this area. It was pretty late at night. Um, my ex-husband and I taking turns driving just trying to get, you know, as much road covered as possible. And the lights that we saw in the sky, I would say that they were orbits, like orbital, like round little lights. But the maneuvering they were doing was so unnatural for any aircraft, any anything. I mean, we’re talking this would have been 2007, so drones weren’t even really a serious thing at that point either, at least not to the the mainstream public. But what I saw, and I understand like military testing area, I don’t care. Somebody was probably watching. Something else was probably watching what the military was testing, and that’s what I think those orbs of light were. But totally tripped me out. Never seen anything like it in my life. And that’s the only thing I can attribute it to.
>> Interesting. And and I think that there are millions of stories like that. A lot of them go unreported because people don’t want to get called crazy. Um Amanda and I do this for a living. So call us crazy away, you know, just have fun with that. We always have to come out and and kind of talk about these things like maybe they might be true.
And I I hope that these episodes encourage more people to do that because listen, at this point, it’s 2026, sweetheart. Nobody thinks you’re crazy.
Have you seen what’s going on in the world? I think you might be one of the most downthe- people if you go, I think I just saw a UFO. like me too. So, uh Jake, I want to ask you, have you seen any of these videos?
>> Yeah, I have. You know, and I think just as compelling as the video evidences, though, is the is the audio um of like of um gosh, I’m blanking on his name now, but him um kind of describing what he was seeing, the actions that Craft was taking, you know. Um, obviously you can go down like well they could add this in post-production and but you know some it always is like those kind of things where I just as much as the audio is the or the visual as the audio how are they can you hear the genuine kind of shock in their voice can you hear the confusion in there you know so I have seen them um and it was kind of kind of crazy if you guys can remember going back to when they released the files and just kind of going back to Marcus’ point of not thinking that you know you’re crazy anymore. Like that came out and the government kind of more or less said we don’t we don’t know. We don’t know.
We we don’t know what this is. And that should to us be like, okay, the government has just confirmed the existence of a flying object that they do not know what it is. Now, they’re not saying it’s extraterrestrial, but that seems like a pretty big deal when you consider the United States military, its level of intelligence, and it could all be smokec screen because again, a conspiracy. You got to always think there’s something behind hiding behind each door. But the fact that nobody really had a big reaction to it and there was all all the hearings, multiple people. There was that um I think it was Gersh or something like that who did another one. Bob Lazar, another guy who’s come out over the last couple years. But um that that right there I think just shows that like this the the alien kind and UFO thing has kind of passed over us with all the other craziness that we’re dealing with. But I’ve seen the videos. I’ve heard the audio. super compelling and just another kind of piece of evidence you can add to the constantly growing stack it seems.
>> Absolutely. Now, there’s a few reasons why people tend to believe this and a few reasons why people tend to be skeptical. Um, one reason that I think that carries a lot of weight with me, but there’s a caveat to it is that militaryra sensors picked this stuff up and those are the most powerful ones we have. I don’t care what they’re selling you uh for your Ring doorbell camera and motion sensors and all the rest of it.
The military’s had it for 20 years and they’ve perfected it far beyond what is available to me and you the consumer.
Now, I will say this militaryra sensors picked it up. Yes. Um how does that say that it’s it’s an alien, right? It doesn’t necessarily say it’s not of this world. Um it’s I don’t know. Like I said, there’s a bit of a caveat with the military grade sensors picking them up because people are also seeing them with their naked eye and it could still be some sort of trick with the eyes, I guess. I don’t know. I mean, I saw Tupac perform on stage as a hologram and I’ll be damned if it didn’t look almost exactly like Tupac was up there getting down. So, I I think that there’s ways that these things can be smoking mirrors like you say, Jake. Uh, multiple pilots and radar operators corroborated. That’s one that carries a lot of weight with me. hard to have everybody lie about something and get the story right for 16 plus years. Uh even more now that we’re talking about it. We’re over 10 or over 20 years since this incident. Um and the craft showed flight characteristics beyond known propulsion, which is another reason people say, “Well, it’s got to be extraterrestrial. We don’t have that technology.” I always like to say, “Guys, we don’t know what technology we have.” Uh the the military knows what technology we have. And even then, it’s so compartmentalized. Most of those guys don’t know what the guy next to them’s job entails. And they do that on purpose, right? Um, reasons why skeptics push back, optical illusions and sensor anomalies happen, right? Uh, unknown doesn’t equal alien, which makes me want to slap you in the face when you use that argument because it doesn’t not mean alien either.
Uh, and classified foreign tech could explain some sightings. I think that’s a really good one. So, let me ask you this, Amanda. If this is ours, why do you think our pilots are so confused and and just dumbfounded by it?
>> So, um if it is, for example, a cover up, right, and our own government owns the tech, um not everybody is going to know about a super secret tech, right?
and if anything to continue to kind of like cover for themselves. Why not allow their own people to say, “I don’t know what it is. I’ve never heard of it. I’m I have no clue.” You look at things that got kind of blown out of proportion. My god, Area 51. Um, everybody in their mom knows about Area 51 now, but at some point that was like that was a rumbling, right? Right.
>> I feel like we’ve all been so desensitized almost to the existence of extraterrestrials that we all kind of I think at this point assume, well, it could be true. And you know, when we’re ready to know, we’ll know. I I think the evidence from shows like ancient aliens speak volumes. The Greek guy with the crazy hair, he’s my favorite. I love that guy. I can’t remember his name, but um >> he’s the meme guy. I can’t remember his name either, but he’s just aliens guy.
Yeah.
>> Yep. So he talks about um different types of buildings of sculptures of architecture of things that exist in different places on the planet. For example, similarities between things you can find in ancient Egypt but then also South America. And we can do carbon dating. We know things are very very old, right? So, how can something that is identical exist in two completely opposite sides of the planet if we didn’t have the tech to travel to be able to share that information thousands of years ago? You know, things like that really piqu my interest and make me go hm they they do kind of have a point there. And then um you know, I I watched Stargate way too many times as a kid, so you throw that into there and and your imagination takes off. But you can you can make it make sense with logic. If it exists, if they exist and that’s a real thing, then that would make sense of how that tech traveled. Another thought is we are the aliens. We came here a long time ago and and took over the world and and this is just what the version of us is now. So, who knows? But but there’s evidence in different ways. And that’s one of those those theories that I’m kind of like heavy into believing for sure. Jake, anything to add there after listening to Amanda talk her way through it? I saw your interest call for sure.
>> I saw your interest peaked a little bit when she said, “Are we the aliens?” >> No, I mean I I’ve had that thought too.
Like I’ve, you know, there’s always a thought exists because I’m a my whole theory behind it is it kind of goes to my theory on the universe and that the universe is constantly expanding, which means that there’s infinite chances for infinite things to happen, infinite chances for the perfect combination to come along and life to develop. So that’s kind of where my thinking is at um when it comes to the whole are are are we alone? But to that same point, we could be the first we could be the first of all those. It could be happening everywhere, you know, from now, but we could be the first. We could be the first people to go out and try to colonize other planets. You know, there’s no no nothing says that we can’t be the first. And so I’ve never heard or really delved into the theory that we came here from somewhere. That’s super interesting. You know, we’ve seen it. I know you’ve seen various examples of that. Maybe not just like leaning on a spaceship, but like an asteroid, microbe on an asteroid or something like that.
Totally. I mean, could could it happen?
Absolutely. Who knows? I mean, the how the universe started is like >> whoa. Okay. Like it can anything can happen, right? So, but I think the interesting thing that um I think doesn’t get talked about enough and maybe it’s a little bit different when it comes to aliens, extraterrestrials, these future technologies, things like that is um you know in interdimensional you know what instead of coming from up what if they’re coming from down below you know what if they’re you know coming from uh Pacific Rim you know there’s an interdimensional rift in the bottom of the Mariana’s Trench where these beings came from Stranger Things much better recent example um you know interdimensional stuff could also be you know it doesn’t have to be from another planet could be from another dimension you know >> journey to the center of the earth you know interstellar a whole another world inside of our world I mean who knows >> right I I think about interstellar when you talk about multi-dimensional travel and how the the you know protagonist life form in that movie sort of created a way that humans could interact with the fifth dimension because we don’t have the ability yet and that really like God, you want to talk about exploding all of the synapses in your brain. We can’t comprehend it. And I’m watching a movie that’s saying, “Hey, comprehend this.” And I’m trying. I swear to God, Matthew McConnA, I’m trying. I love that movie so much. I watch it on every three-hour plane ride.
Every three-hour plane ride of contention in our household. My husband has watched that movie so many times. I am scarred. Like, it’s ridiculous.
>> It’s so good. I pick up something new every single time and I I will die on this vine. Uh one of the most accurately and best scored movies of our generation. The music in Interstellar makes the movie. Uh pay attention to it next time you watch it. But Jake, something you touched on back there is kind of a perfect uh segue to my next one which I know that you like and that is the younger dus impact hypothesis, also called ancient impact theory. Um, but just to sum it up for you real quick, roughly 12,800 years ago, Earth experienced sudden cooling called the younger, driest period. Some researchers argue a fragmented comet impact caused massive wildfires, megapona extinction like mammoths and saber-tooth tigers, and the collapse of early human civilizations. And that’s the big one.
Now, the theory was popularized in the book The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes and later echoed in documentaries like Ancient Apocalypse. If you haven’t seen that from uh from Graham uh Graham a [ __ ] his name is >> Graham Hancock. Thank you very much.
You’ve got to look it up. It look there’s a lot of geologists out there that hate Graham Ham Graham Hancock and think that he is killing science. And there’s a whole other school of them that think that without people like him, we won’t ever learn what really happened. We’ll only learn what we think happened and what won a bunch of people prizes and what got them famous. And so it’s in their best interest to defend their hypothesis, if you see what I’m saying. Jake, talk to me about your thoughts on this because I hear it. I see what Graham brings up. There’s another doctor that’s gone on so many podcasts that have that he shows maps of like drainages and they come right down through where I live. One of them’s called the Bonavville drainage. I’m not that far from the Bonavville dam. So, this is a big one for me, too, because I see a lot that adds up here and a lot that makes sense. And when I see scientists fighting tooth and nail to keep something under wraps, I think there’s even more reason that we should talk about it. What are your thoughts?
Yeah. So, you know, Graham is definitely a controversial figure um in that and just maybe the general science community. I know you could go look him up on YouTube and there’s all kinds of people trying to debunk his stuff and calling him all kinds of crazy stuff which that’s for me has always been, you know, kind of what you were saying. It’s just the reaction. You know, my fiance tells me I’m an Aquarius and us Aquariuses like to question a lot of things. Um, and so that’s what always bugs me about the reaction that these other scientists have. And it’s just like, man, why can’t we just have like a civil discussion about it rather than than constantly seeming seeming to get angry? I know one guy that’s constantly going back and forth with him is Flint Flint Dibble, I think, is his name.
>> Yeah. Which what a name for a geologist.
You did not miss with the name Flint Dibble, let me tell you.
>> Flint Dibble and his whole look. I mean that the whole his look it is it all has me kind of a little bit questioning just but he I know he’s one that goes back and forth and for me you know I’m somebody I just love to speculate and ask these questions like I don’t want to argue about what seems to be happening but on the topic itself extremely interesting a lot of the reason for that it goes back to some of what you were talking about Amanda and and it goes back to and the gentleman you’re referring to Marcus is Randall Carlson the geologist who really focused yes on the on the geographic formations out there in your part of the country in the Northwest called the chneled scablands.
Um so, you know, just to it’s really compelling um for a number of different reasons. Um and it kind of all goes back to this thought that I had as a kid. Um when you’re in school and you’re learning about Native Americans, right?
You learn about how they treated the buffalo on the prairie very much like a you know total reverence for the buffalo, not over hunting them, realizing the resource that they had provided. But then at the same time, you’re told at that, you know, way long ago, but you’re told that it was the hunter gathering cultures back then that killed off all the woolly mammoths. And something in there just never really made sense. I didn’t really know what I was thinking at the time or why it didn’t make sense. But I think hearing both of those things at the same time, something in my brain, my young brain was like, “Something’s not right about that.” is so it was the that was the first piece of evidence that I heard was why are there there’s these there’s these mass deposits of woolly mammoths bones altogether clearly like a mass dying a mass death event of some kind you know maybe you know I’ve seen like the I think the most common example I’ve seen is like just like tar pits or something that they all waited into and just died I never really bought that because you know the evidence says that these mammoths had things like broken legs and stuff like that >> what would have the force to break the legs of a woolly mammoth pro something really big and that’s where this flood comes in and Amanda the another compelling point about it is all across the world from various cultures you’ll see um stories of a giant flood you know the most obvious example for us is the uh Moses flood right um but there’s stories of that all across the world how how do they all have a similar story from a similar point in time and going back to the theory I believe I think as I think does Marcus that it was caused by um a meteor from the I think it was the torid meteor stream that came and impacted the ice caps in the north that basically just flash unfroze a yeah I mean I can’t quantify the amount of water um that caused this giant flood and it primarily came down through the cha scablands in the northwest where you can see these things you can see where these giant falls were created a good example is, you know, ripples on a beach when a beach and I’m making hand motions that nobody can see, but when the tide goes out and you see the ripples on the sand, these little ripples, those ripples exist up in the northwest. You can see aerial footage of them. So, that in itself, it’s like clearly a huge body of water came and receded from this spot. And the explanation has always been a glacial ice dam breaking. I just don’t see I mean it’s hard to for me to to visualize a dam that big releasing that amount of water causing the damage it did but then as the end result it killed off all the megapana and you know in this part of it’s why uh in the the the part of the world that was spared during this big catastrophe was that subsaharan Africa the savannah that’s why elephants tigers giraffes all what they classify as megapaa still exists there and that’s why none of it giant sloth saber-tooth tigers the woolly mammoth all these things died out on in North America so that you know I could go on for days and days about it the the levels of geolog but the other thing part about it too is it it I think ties into Atlantis in a way now if you were to go look at a map and I don’t know the timing of these things this is where I kind of lose my research but if you go look at a map of Africa and you look for the Rashad structure it’s a set of concentric circles in the desert. And if you look at it from a pulledback aerial view, what you can kind of see is it looks like and it’s toward the um western edge of Africa, it looks like a slope going down from a high aerial footage. It looks like water ran through there and then down through off the coast, which would have taken it right through this Rashad structure, which people theorize is where it was Atlantis. And it was the folks from Atlantis who went out and spread their advanced culture to these various parts of the world that helped lift up human civilization and help kind of get it kickstarted again. But they were the advanced civilization that had techn that had all kinds of sophisticated technology specifically relating to you know reading the stars um I think was a big thing in their alignment with the sun and stars and math and calculations and all that kind of stuff. Um, but that’s where I think, you know, if Atlantis existed, maybe it got destroyed in this event and it was the dispersal of the the people who were from that culture that went to these various places cuz cuz then it’s all because that’s where these theories of these guys with the if you go look at all these ancient uh civilizations, they have a tale of some great messagebrer, some great informing coming and bringing them this technology and this knowledge.
um you know and it exists again multiple spots of the world and that’s where I think it came from this Rashad structure that was Atlantis that was impacted by this asteroid impact theory of which we can see evidence all across the country from the ripples to the black mat layer that shows the wildfires that happen as a result of this. It’s a fascinating fascinating topic. We see natural disasters that change geography every single year, you know. Um, even natural disasters aside, just time going on, there’s there’s a park in a town I used to live in called Mentor Beach Park.
There is no beach there anymore. Um, and you know, I people have shown me pictures from the 50s that was like the spot people would go and bring their blankets. It doesn’t exist anymore. You know, in addition to that, think about elementary school. You first learn about pangia. think you learn about all the continents used to fit together. I mean, there’s nothing out of the realm of possibility if if the Earth can move and shift that much, right? Um, have you ever seen a comet with the naked eye?
>> Yes.
>> It is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. I was driving to work. I was doing a morning show, so I was driving to work. You know, crack of dawn, darkest of the dark outside, and lime green. Go. She goes shooting across the sky. And I’m tripping. I’m freaking out.
like Google, not driving and googling. I clearly pulled over.
>> Sure.
>> And looked it up. But I mean, oh my gosh, to see something like that is incredible. And to think about the the size. Uh not going to lie, I was watching Independence Day before I came on and started chatting with you guys and and to think about things that can be that large. I mean, what was what was the the movie with Bruce Willis?
>> Armageddon.
>> Like, come on. Come on. and something the size of even a Buick could tear a hole in our planet if it was going fast enough.
>> Since you brought up the movie, I have to quote the line. Just wanted to feel the power between my legs, brother. Uh, one of the one of the greatest lines in cinema when Steve Busi is sitting on a literal nuclear warhead. Sorry, Jake.
Didn’t mean to interrupt you. Had to get it in.
>> No, great line. Great great piece of cinema history right there. But no, I think that’s like Amanda to your point if you a couple years back it was the I don’t or it was a couple years back that this happened in Russia. It always seems to happen in Russia for some reason. Um but the one where the it’s Yeah, actually probably very true. Um but he had the one where it was like the it was a very very very small piece of asteroid or comet that came in and kind of had the air burst thing and busted a bunch of windows. Then you go look at the uh Tangusa event.
>> Yep. Tangusa. Can’t remember when that happened, but then again, similar air burst and how it just I think it was literally like this. They said it was like the size of like a small car and it had an air burst and it flattened basically an entire forest. Oh, and what’s crazy too is the the top down view from that. What you see is that it’s not all the trees laying in one direction. It’s literally they’re they’re spread out like something blew up above them. And so they’re all pointing out in a concentric circle. Um, I mean the one of the strangest things you can ever see just the picture of that uh one that you’re talking about and sorry to interrupt there Jake.
>> No, no, no. But I was just saying like when you go look at something that something that size that can have that much of an impact and you think about the the amount of just sheer force to knock down a tree and you know anything that’s kind of bigger than that and the kind of the impact it can have. Uh that’s it’s it really is crazy. But it’s I I just don’t see all the evidence out there, especially with the mass dying events of these megapana animals, you know, like how >> something like there’s clearly a massive disaster. I just really like to think it’s this asteroid. See, it makes most sense to me.
>> You know, there’s a lot more evidence, too, that we haven’t even touched on here. There are nano diamonds and sediment layers that can only have been created by an explosion or some type of impact event, right? What creates diamonds? A whole hell of a lot of pressure and not the type that you get by spiking a football in the end zone.
Um, platinum spikes in the Greenland ice course have been detected. That’s also something that should not be there. And there’s a black mat sediment layer all the way across North America. And you can’t really dispute this. Uh, there’s a place down in Utah. I was watching a documentary once where there’s basically the whole side of this hill has slid away. And what that did for geologists is just open up a massive amount of research that they can do because they can see the sediment layers in the side of the hill. And there is a giant black probably 4 in 5 in 6 in sediment layer that’s down a long ways about 12,800 years ago. And it’s all the way across the North American con continent. And you can’t imagine that the whole continent didn’t burn, right? So something had to have burned. Maybe there was a lot of wildfires that added to it, but some sort of impact that probably caused that uh that layer.
Jake, >> now something else to now something else too to remember is this also came with a I think it’s pretty well document documented a short period of global cooling.
>> Yep.
>> How can Explain to me and again this is me asking the question not being contentious to the scientists out there.
Um, if it was a ice dam that broke for example, how does that result in a short period of global cooling and not like a So it wasn’t a long trend. It was quick.
It was it was right away. How does an ice dam do that?
>> That right? whether it was through a huge like a large amount of wildfires um that you have to think about the sheer amount of wildfires that need to be going on to get that level of smoke in the atmosphere across the entire globe and cool it down. Again, seems unlikely.
We’ve seen it with the dinosaurs, which again I guess is more still hypothesis, but that was, you know, it wasn’t the asteroid impact that killed them. It was the fallout. Everything that that got kicked into the atmosphere, >> the sun was blocked out, plants died, planting dinosaurs died, then followed the meat eaters. So that to me is like even the mo maybe the most compelling is like we had a a snap period of global cooling. Something got kicked up into the atmosphere and it it obviously >> walked out the sun.
>> Yeah. Out the sun. It’s where did that come from?
>> That makes the most sense to me too, Jake. And and I’ll I’ll go in here to why the believers like this is like we talked about the geological signals, the evidence of global cooling, the sediment layer, that’s all real. You can’t disprove that. They found it. They might not be able to explain it, but they can see it. Uh there is uh sudden climate shift. I already said well documented.
And Jake touched on this earlier. There are oral traditions across almost every humanity, every branch of humanity, regardless of your religion that reference a great flood. Hard to think that that many people that couldn’t contact each other via smartphone, all came up with the same story just on a whim, right? Uh don’t believe in conspiracy that or don’t believe in coincidence. That’s what Christopher Maloney or Detective Elliot Stabler would tell you if you were watching Law and Order. Um skeptics say the evidence is inconsistent. That’s a garbage take.
Sorry, I’m not like I’m I don’t even know why I put that in my research. I think that’s that’s inconsistent. So is everything. Nature’s inconsistent. Show me one 90° angle in nature and I will tell you that I’m wrong about that. But we are inconsistent. That’s what makes us human. Uh that’s what makes the world what it is. So again, I think that’s a garbage take. Um there is no confirmed crater, Jake. I kind of know where your argument against this would go, but if I were to be a skeptic and say, “Well, where’s the crater?” What are you gonna tell me?
>> I’d say it’s buried under the ice in the North Pole or South or up north. That’s where it’s at. And I think there’s been some recent discovery or evidence along that line that they might have discovered that. I think that might have been the latest big breaking news on they maybe have discovered that crater.
Okay. And that that see was so thick where it hit that it didn’t leave a crater. It just completely collapsed the ecosystem. It, you know, if if we’re talking about the size of like if you’re not familiar with the geology of the Pacific Northwest when all of the topography has just been stripped of trees and everything and you’re just looking at the shape of the ground, you can totally see that the ice caps drained right down through the Pacific Northwest. When it happened or how it happened, couldn’t tell you, but I do know what it looks like when water melts and drains across the surface. And boy, you would be I I mean the scarps that that we have through here right where I’m at in the Wamut Valley, uh we’re the lowest point in Oregon. We run just east of the coastal mountain range and just west of the Cascade Mountain Range. So we’re right between two mountain ranges at sea level. And we have all of these mounds that are concentric along the Wamut Valley and they’re just dotted and they’re all pointing the same direction and they’re all oriented the same way. Now, did an ancient civilization build these as some sort of massive network? Look, it’s possible. But if you told me that maybe a giant wa wash of water or glacial slide or something like that ran over and there were little air bubbles in it that allowed the man the land to mound up in certain spaces. I could totally believe that, too. So, um, again, garbage take with their no confirmed crater, I think. But this is just me. Uh we’re going to get into whether or not we really buy into these in a minute, but Amanda, before I go away from the younger dus impact theory and hit on our last one we’re going to talk about here today, I want to open it up for your thoughts on this because uh this is one Jake and I are really into. Uh how do you feel?
>> So when I lived in Wyoming, one of the things that people would always say is, “Oh my gosh, that mountain is a volcano and it’s going to explode.” and you know, you’re you’re in the worst place you could possibly be on the planet of all the places you could live. Why would you choose to live there? So, I feel like having that kind of like drilled into my brain, it’s hard not to think about um the geography of places that are not places you’ve grown up, right?
Uh even living in the Pacific Northwest, the number of mountain ranges, the number of of peaks and places to go visit. I mean, traveling from one town to two towns over and having to go through a mountain pass, there’s so much in the geography out that way, you know, when you get away from from New England or away from the Midwest, what I’m familiar with. I mean, I feel like you can see so much of that um in other places in the country. So, I don’t know.
I’m I’m I’m with it. I’m leaning towards it. I I think that you both have done a good job of convincing me further. So, >> we’ve we’ve been living in this rabbit hole for years now. I can tell Jake has just like me. And >> and I will I will say real quick that they does look like they have found a crater underneath Greenland. One of the areas which Graham thought there might be a crater. So >> there you go. There you go. So, you know, it’s I I think about it’s something we didn’t even talk about and we’re sitting here discussing all this geology. We I I literally live in the land of volcanoes. Like I grew up on a mountain range where they told us at school like that one blew up and that one blew up and that one probably created half the state and and you know I’m now I live 700 miles from that within the same state and I’m 30 minutes to the west and 30 minutes to the east.
There are mountains that look like volcanoes all over the place. These types of events can trigger volcanoes which can also cause the blocking out of the sun and global cooling. And we’re sitting here in the Pacific Ring of Fire where there’s only like 300 or 400 of them and we’re just waiting for the big one to tick off and delete the entire western seabboard. So many things could have happened that triggered this. It could have been a concert of things coming together at the right time and maybe just one little misplaced asteroid.
>> Could be all just a farce and we might all just be having this conversation just to hear ourselves talk. I don’t know. But I’m so compelled by it. Um, and the last one I have for you guys here, I actually have more, but we’re gonna have to do a part two on this because there’s so many of these that are so much fun, but the reason I want to talk about this next one is because it’s been so evident in the pop culture lately, and I I want as many people to be able to relate to what we’re talking about as possible. Uh, have either of you guys heard of or watched the television show uh, Secret of Skinwalker Ranch? I know what you’re referring to.
I’ve watched bits and pieces of it.
Fiance is big on this part of it. Um, she grew up in the land. She grew up in Oklahoma, so a lot of Native American traditions and stories there. So, this is one that she talks about a lot, actually. Okay, Amanda, >> I’m not familiar. I mean, what is it like uh like the Appalachian Mountain type situation?
>> It’s actually out in Utah and similar is it is pretty rural out there. It’s not as far removed from civilization, I don’t think, as the some of the places in the Appalachians are that never get visited. Um, so the reason that this kind of came about is because on this ranch, uh, they were they were having UFO sightings, multiple cattle mutilations, ton of poltergeist activity, portal sightings, and crypted creatures that they were constantly seeing out here. And this goes back a ways. Like the TV show is on pretty recently or might even still be on now, but this goes all the way back to 1990.
Uh the ranch was actually studied in 1990 and the the following years by billionaire Robert Bigalow under the National Institute for Discovery Science. It later became connected to the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, otherwise known as ATIP. Uh there’s now a TV show as I said, but they get and and if you watch the TV show, it’s got the same trappings as every other sort of reality adjacent TV show. How much of this is actually going on and you guys are worried about it from a research standpoint? And how much of this would make really good TV if something happened? And I think honestly it’s a pretty good mix. There are a lot of things that they’re studying out there that they reference old things that happen, but then sometimes they kind of just go on a ghost hunt like they’re with Zack Baggins all of a sudden. So, I while I like the TV show, it it compels me. I would rather just hear the research around it, maybe hear from Bigalow himself. But the reported phenomena include all those things I already said, including radiation spikes, GPS just completely going off the rails. Like GPS is useless on this ranch. uh objective uh objects disappearing in midair.
That’s actually one that they did catch on the TV show. There’s a thing and then there’s just not a thing. It’s kind of crazy. Um and people getting injured sometimes internally without any visible cause. Now, the believers lean into this one. They really do. All right. There’s a TV show. That’s one part about probably bastardize bastardizes the believer uh community a little bit, but there’s multiple witnesses to all this stuff. They constantly have teams of people out there working on it. The government funded an investigation for quite some time, which is hey uh that piques my interest. And uh consistent weird electromagnetic interference which is actually being recorded out there by instruments. So now why skeptics may might not believe it. Um this is what you would consider high stranges. Okay?
Because you listen to it. The title is the skinwalker ranch. Skinw walkers are beings uh I guess ethereal beings if you will um that many Native American cultures have within the lore of their culture. And these things live out in the rural areas and they will call your name in the middle of the night or they do all sorts of creepy stuff. They shapeshift. You name it. um that type of high strangeness is ripe for confirmation bias all the time whenever it’s a Bigfoot or something like that that you get your pockets of people that say absolutely because me too and that’s okay but also it causes people to be skeptical because it’s a lot like um and this is the only time I’m going to listen or I’m going to talk about our political climate in the US but it’s the loudest people on the furthest edges that make the most noise that generate the excitement about this and they tend to grab more people that are are within their belief system if you know what I mean. Um there’s been uh a lot of sensationalized TV production as I already said. That’s another skeptical viewpoint. And a lot of people are saying, “Hey, you’re in kind of a geologic anomaly zone. You could just be dealing with weird electromagnetics things going on like that.” That doesn’t explain the cattle mutilations, guys.
And I’ll tell you right now, that’s the part that’s the weirdest to me.
whatever’s out there, whether it be human or otherwise, is messing with the cattle in a way that I can’t explain.
The mutilations are just like all the rest of them. They’re uh they’re absolutely surgical in their precision.
Things like eyes have been removed, nose, tongues, genitals, nipples, things that you don’t do without a scalpel and some skill without making it look like it’s been to a shaky-handed butcher.
Another thing that happened that this was actually documented on the TV show was they had a group of cattle that they had sequestered in one area because they were investigating a cattle mutilation.
There was a small barn, let’s say 10 by8, okay, with two double doors that opened. I’m talking 8 to 10 cattle full size. They go off into the field with the TV cameras. They’re documenting all this. They look at the cattle mutilation. It’s right there on the film. They come back and those cattle are gone and the fence is closed.
There’s no cattle on the ranch. They’re not out there. We can’t see them. Where did they go?
They are in this barn behind a locked door standing like shouldertosh shoulder and mashed into this barn. If you’ve ever dealt with cattle, you don’t get them into little tiny compact places like that. Once there’s enough of them in there, the rest of them aren’t going to go in. And this was way too many cattle for this barn, guys. I can’t explain it at all. It could just be really good TV production. This could be a complete farce. But that was the one when I was watching that show that I was like, how do you fake that? What happened there? What if if this is true?
What the hell’s going on on that ranch?
And if it’s not, cancel this TV show immediately. Um, so I don’t know. I I’ll put that out there to you guys. Amanda, you’ve been you you look like you’re kind of interested in this one.
>> I I honestly at first I was like, this is weird. They’re taking like all the conspiracy theories and putting them like all in one place. But then it got me thinking, right? So there’s certain places in the world that are supposed to be places that are a concentration of energy. You talk about places like Sedona, Arizona. Um so if we have these places where these things are happening, um and remember the unknown is only unknown until science figures it out and names it, right? Um and and I feel like that always falls over the the paranormal. the paranormal things, you know, uh, and I think that it’s it’s harder for us to go along with something that might be a legitimate theory because we’re like, “No, we can’t believe in that because we’ve always believed in this.” So, that being said, say this place is one of those magnetic places, one of these places where strange things happen. You add the secondary layer of there being extraterrestrials. Why, if they’re exploring our planet, would they not be hyperinterested in a place like that?
That’s what I think. I think we’re putting the two together and that’s how you get something like Skinwalker Ranch.
>> That’s a really good point. Jake, your thoughts?
>> Yeah, I mean that’s a great thought on that, Amanda. Yeah, my thought the whole time while you’re kind of going through it is like just it screams something government going on. Um but uh yeah, I mean if there is these concentrations I didn’t know about Sedona actually. I always my mind went to the Bermuda Triangle which I guess isn’t really all that I think I think the Bermuda Triangle might have been overhyped. Um I haven’t heard about haven’t heard a lot about it lately. But um it’s a great point like if there’s these weird connections of I mean if there’s advanced beings visiting the earth from another dimension or from another planet maybe there’s some kind of weird cosmic resource or energy that’s in these places that they are extracting for some reason. Maybe I you know um and the animals is you know I I did you know growing up um not a ton but um you know my relatives had a farm and I would from time to time help them you know move cattle from pasture to pasture and you’re right you know they get not really going to get them in a tight space and they are tough to wrangle you’re not going to give into that tight space and however long it was couple minutes it sounds like >> yeah about 40 if I remember correctly was about 40 minutes >> yeah no and it’s just the only with the the only other thing my place my mind goes when talking about the variety of stuff going on is just experimentation, you know, like some kind of government facility underground and they’re just trying a bunch of crazy stuff out, you know, u you know, these shape-shifting beings and uh you know, maybe I’m trying to think of what would be I’ve always tried to think about what the compelling reason would be for these surgicalness and precision behind the mutilations or why they would have to feel the need to turn a cow inside out, you know, so So, >> um, yeah, it’s, you know, Skinwalker Ranch isn’t one, like I said, been more adjacent on the edges of that one. And I think the reason is because of all, like kind of Amanda was saying, taking all these things and putting them in one place. How is that possible? Well, maybe this is the genesis for all the things we’ve heard in the past, right?
>> If I remember correctly, this is a this hasn’t been something that was just happening in the ‘9s. This has been happening in this plot of land as far back as like like the 1800s 1700s if I you know if I remember that correctly.
So that part right there itself I think points more to what Amanda is saying of like this weird zone of cosmic energy >> like maybe it’s just that maybe that’s the black hole on Earth and that’s where they got to come in at and that’s where they got to leave from. Who knows? You know I mean that’s part of the fun about talking about it is it’s the same thing when you talk about the tic tac video.
Uh that all happened out overwater and there’s a lot of speculation. These things aren’t living on land if they’re here. They’re living in the ocean which we have not explored hardly at all. So, you know, that’s it. It’s fun to talk about and and also it’s fun to take a stance. We’ve talked about dying on hills on this podcast. My hill is Meatloaf. I’m dead up there. They’ve killed me. They’ve stoned me from the bottom. I am laying dead on the Meatloaf Hill. And that was my choice. I’m putting you guys on the spot now for the end of the episode here because we are getting we’ve been going for a while.
Jake’s got work to do. I want to get him back to it. Um, we’re going to do a short segment here called buy it or [ __ ] Okay, Amanda, I’m going to come to you first. The UAP phenomenon that we talked about first with Commander David Fraver, the tic-tac gimbal and go fast footage. Buy it or [ __ ] >> I’m kind of on the fence with it. I don’t know if in this particular scenario I buy it. Um, but I would say in general the concept I buy it. Does that count?
>> Uh, well, it it counts because I didn’t remove the fence from the equation before I asked you. The fence is now removed. Uh, the options are buy it or [ __ ] Okay. Buy it. There it is.
Jake, the UAP phenomenon. Buy it or [ __ ] >> I’m buying it every day and twice on Sunday.
>> I like it. All right, Amanda, back to you. The younger dus impact hypothesis.
We spent a lot of time talking about this one. A lot of research out there about it. A lot of uh scientists pushing back on it. Buy it or [ __ ] Amanda, >> man, listen. I’m really scared that at the end of this episode, I am going to be officially labeled a conspiracy theorist because I buy it, >> Jake. I don’t even have to ask you.
>> You know, it’s not it’s not a conspiracy or theory to me. It’s fact.
>> It’s fact. I love it. All right. So, uh, the one that I think I I saved for last for a good reason because it’s probably the most fantastic of all of them.
Skinwalker Ranch. Amanda, buy it or BS.
>> Oh, man. This one’s tough for me. The TV show and everything. I’m kind of leaning towards BS on this one.
>> Okay, that levels us out a little bit.
Jake, your thoughts.
>> The show is BS, but I’m buying the theory.
>> Okay, I like that split there. Uh, for me, I buy it all. I believe it all. Tell me your thoughts. I think it’s all true.
Uh, but all jokes aside, that’s what I want you to think when you email me after you listen to this episode about the conspiracy theories you want to hear about. Now, we kept this light. We kept this away from all things current politics, and we’re going to continue to do that because that’s how we get to have fun and not have to hate each other at the end of these episodes. So, send in your recommendations.
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What conspiracies do you buy? What do you sell? What do you think about the ones we talked about today? And what ones would you like to hear of on our definitely happening part two uh of our conspiracy theory episode? This was awesome. Jake, thank you so much for being here, man. Thank you for putting this kernel of an idea in my mind. Uh you’re coming back on here again, man.
Whether you like it or not, every time we get you on here, we have these really long drawn out conversations and I love them. Did you know our hockey episode is like one of the most listened to episodes out of the last 20 that we’ve done?
>> Not.
>> Oh yeah. And and it’s it’s way out front. Jake, there’s another one that is in first place, but it is a close second right now. So hats off to you, man.
You’re really good at this.
>> Hey K, I appreciate that. I I always enjoy it. But also too, I did want to say for the record, uh, undecided on the flat earth stuff. So just >> Oh, no. Undecided.
We’ll let you do your research research.
>> Yeah, we’ll let you do your research for next time. Quote unquote research, right?
>> Thanks for being here today, Jake. We’ll talk to you again next time.
>> See you.
>> You know, I don’t play favorites on this show. I love every single guest that comes on and Jake gets to be right in there in that bunch, man. We always have a great conversation. always end up talking for a lot longer than I thought we would. And Amanda, bringing you into the party didn’t really affect that.
Jake and I went almost an hour talking hockey the last time, just the two of us. And I’m what I would call like a moderately adjacent hockey fan. Like, I’ve got my team, but I don’t really watch it. So, uh it’s awesome to to bring Jake in here, especially when he’s so uh into like the younger Dryus impact theory. You can tell he’s really looked into that and and done some what you’d call bonafide research. And I don’t just mean internet research. I mean he might have read a book it sounds like.
>> I mean listen he needs to do some research on that whole flat earth thing because if he can expand the the the trucking industry to just anywhere in the world will drive it then you know he’s he could be making some big money here or something. But he needs to get on that.
>> What about the ice wall, Amanda? We can’t just drive up the ice wall, right?
I don’t know. It’s this is kind of why because I think that even with flat earth, it’s one of those things that >> it’s it’s probably the uh the the most proven that that one is wrong. Okay. Out of all of the ones that we could select to talk about, I think we have more evidence on that one than any of the rest of them. What with all the pictures from space and such. But I can’t be honest in my conspiracy theory mind without at least giving those people a seat at the table. So even though it’s at the kids table and it’s in another room, we’ve still given them a seat here. If if one of you guys wants to come on and talk about flat earth with us, we’ll listen. We’ll entertain it. I just entertained I just entertained crypted creatures and cattle mutilations and then some kind of weird nonhuman figure stuffing a bunch of cattle in a barn. I’ll entertain it.
>> I’m taking the cattle and and the the creepy crawies and the spaceship and we’re all going to Atlantis. So, this is what’s happening.
>> That story you did tell about Kyrie was funny though is it’s like it’s one thing to just be a fan of him but you actually knew him. you had worked with them and then you learned that. Is that the only time in your life that somebody that you’ve been uh closely acquainted with has let you in on one of their beliefs that you’ve just been like, “Oh man, I don’t know if I can do it anymore.” >> What’s the one There’s the thing. It’s like a whole group of people and they believe that you can like buy your identity from the government. Usually you see videos of them getting pulled over and they’re like, “I’m not driving.
I’m traveling.
>> I’m a sovereign citizen.” >> Yes. Oh my god. Listen, listen. I I have some in-laws. We will leave it at that. That one right there, man.
>> Now, I think we all have some in-laws that fall or maybe just extended family that fall into these categories and we don’t want to out them here, but yeah, that’s that’s why Thanksgiving conversation is sort of fun these days.
Right.
>> Right.
Well, listen, as I said in the intro and at the end of Jake’s interview there, we want to hear from you guys. What do you think uh about any of the ones we talked about? What are your thoughts on Skinwalker Ranch? How do you feel about these UAPs? What do you think about our younger dus impact theory that we talked about here? I mean, there are really a lot of highlevel scientists debating this as we speak. I mean, they’re embroiled in what I would even call controversy. I’ve already mentioned this podcast once, but I am a I am a fan of when Joe Rogan brings on scientists. I really like that. I don’t listen to a lot of the comedians. I listen to some of the musicians, some of the athletes, but what really draws me in is when I see PhD or something like that in in the title and I want to know I want to hear those people talk because they’ve you know I haven’t studied anything for eight years like all the things I’ve studied haven’t acquainted equaled eight years Amanda and they studied one thing for at least eight years so I’m always compelled by that.
But um we mentioned a couple of guys uh Graham Norton and Flint Dibble and they actually Graham has been talking about this younger Dryus impact theory on the Joe Rogan podcast for a long time. And at one point in time he went on the show and Flint Dibble came out in the public and basically chastised him. Called him a liar, called him a racist, called him a bigot, called him all of these things that are going to elicit a reaction. At which time Joe reached out to Flint and said, “Why don’t you come on the show and debate Grant?” >> I love that.
>> And they did. And and nothing came of it. I didn’t feel any I didn’t feel like I had any more answers, but a few of the things got to be said from scientist to scientist that I love to hear. Like, why are you defending this hypothesis just because it’s there? Isn’t your job to be finding out new things? Why do you reject new ideas when they come in because they don’t match up with your with your narrative?
>> Um, and and that really, I think, is the >> the nexus of all of this. Uh, with unknown [ __ ] like this, Amanda, we can’t sit here and say that’s wrong. You’re the scariest person in the room. If you think you know any of this stuff 100% in my eyes, >> that’s what uh that’s what we have scientists for. You keep going at it and at it and at it until you see the same result over and over and over again. You can say that’s it. So why say no if someone else has a path to an answer could potentially have a path to an answer just cuz it’s different than the answer you thought it was going to be.
And I think a big part of that is we’re not seeing, you know, we hear about uh or are taught about major scientific discoveries, right? This is not an age where we are seeing these big massive things because we have explored so much.
You know, where we need to go if we want that to happen is underwater.
>> Yep. Absolutely. And there’s one thing too that that really pains me about the way these things stay hidden or stay undiscovered for so long. And this can be fantastic stuff like what we’re talking about or this could be a simple antibiotic medicine that it’s it the pride. If we could figure out a way to strip scientists of their pride and they would never care about what is right and what is wrong because that’s that’s what we’re up against here is you’ve got a guy who spent 40 years figuring something out. the entire scientific community and the world accepted it. And then 20 years later, as that guy’s at the very end of his life, you’ve got some young 25-year-old hot shot that maybe has disproven his theory. And the guy with all the tenure refuses to let his theory die because he wants to be right, not because he wants to find the right answer. And look, pride, it’s one hell of a thing that all of us suffer from at times. And I I wish that uh I I wish there was an off button, Amanda, honestly. Like I you know you and I developed a button a long time ago in our careers which is our FCC button which means when we are on FCC airways something happens in our mind and we do not swear whether or not we talk like sailors every day or the f word is our favorite word in the vocabulary. Amanda I know you have this switch right where you just the swear words just shut off.
You know what you can and can’t say.
>> I wish we could do that with pride. I really do.
>> For sure. I feel like if uh if you’re really obsessed with putting your name on something, you shouldn’t be a scientist. You should be a builder. And then every street and neighborhood you develop, you can put your name on it and there you go. You know, um science is for all of us, right? Science is is for humanity, not for notoriety. So, >> I’ve got some unincorporated area out behind my house that really nobody manages. I could technically build a road and call it Marcus Avenue.
>> You sure could. Listen, I have an uncle in Georgia who’s a builder, and this man has built so many neighborhoods, and you know how many streets he’s named Amanda?
Zero.
>> What in the All right, give me his number. I’m going to have a conversation.
>> And I’m You know what? I’m going to make it Marcus’s Amanda’s Boulevard. That’s what it’s going to be. Just because out of respect for you and not having anything named after you that’s a street, I’m here for you. Okay.
>> I think he might be an alien, though.
This guy has just 10 pairs of the same exact shoe, 10 pairs of the same pants, 10 of the same shirt. It’s weird. It’s pretty weird.
>> Well, we work for a guy like that. Uh I really hope he hears me say that. I really hope he heard me say that. Uh that’s going to wrap it up here for us on the Liquid Trucking Podcast today.
Amanda, it’s been a pleasure having you here. Uh Jake Debo did awesome. Don’t forget to head over to the website podcast.lquidtrucking.com liquiding.com and click that email link so you can send Amanda and I all the conspiracy theories you want to talk about or hear about or what you think about the ones we talked about. Do you want to hit the tagline today?
>> Uh be safe out there. Keep the rubber side down and the shiny side up. Am I right? Am I close? I’m close.
>> You’re close. You got it all, but you added the rubber side down part of it.
It’s just stay safe out there, keep the shiny side up.
>> Oh man, listen. Uh I will work on that.
Okay. I didn’t tell I didn’t tell her that I was going to do that, guys. So, don’t put that on Amanda. That one goes squarely on these shoulders.
>> Listen, I know an indie wrestler, Highway Miles Jacobs, right? And uh and this the the the arm pump thing is his thing, right? When he comes out to the ring and and his tagline, rubber side down, shiny side up. So, it >> like a earworm.
>> I get it. I like that. Highway Miles is his name.
>> Isn’t that great? That is great. That is great. We’re going to have to do a pro wrestling episode if you because I know you’re a fan. So, we’re gonna have to do one here before too long.
>> And Mike, our one editor, Mike, shout out to Mike. He’s a He’s a wrestling fan, too. Stop it. I’m all over it.
>> All right, we’ll get you one. We’ll get you one sooner or later. Send us your ideas. Send us your conspiracies. Send us all the good stuff. We’ll see you next week for more Liquid Trucking Podcast.
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