Skinwalker Ranch Biologist Reveals What Really Happens on the Ranch|Ben Woodruff

And all of a sudden, I feel something, and I look down at the sheets on my bed. It’s like somebody’s pulling them down, like two hands.

Not like your blanket’s falling off, but like pulling it, pulling all the way down.

And I’m looking and I’m, “Nope. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.”

I just start pulling it back up. I’m like, “I can’t acknowledge this.”

So I pull it back up, and this is like a big heavy blanket, and it starts pulling down again.

And I’m like, “I cannot.”

And I just left the light on and just listened to an audiobook and just fell asleep with the lights on, which sounds very childish and very unscientific, but it’s like I’m alone in this building.

I don’t want to acknowledge this yet. I’m still figuring out what this wrench is, but it was, it was like it was messing with me.

Oh, that can’t be aircraft. There actually is a large unidentified object circling the earth. An incredible scene.

Actually, we are very curious to know where it is you come from.

On Skinwalker Ranch, they have a lot of ologists. They have technologist, archaeologist, and today we’re joined by their biologist, Ben Woodruff. Welcome, Ben.

Thank you. Glad to be here.

Good to see you. I almost want to use the line, what’s a nice biologist like you doing in a place like that?

Uh, I mean to be fair, uh, I am a passionate seeker of truth of all kinds, and I’ve worked in paleontology, archaeology, biology, uh, and geology.

I just bounce because everything overlaps, and I want to know the answers. I want to know what are the rules of the universe. How do things actually work?

How do they function from the microscopic all the way to the astronomical?

And so I’ve just bounced around my whole life. But, uh, I’ve done raptor biology, you know, my whole life as well. I, you know, raised birds of prey. And so, that keeps dragging me back to the biological sciences.

So, yeah. And you do have and we and actually and we’re going to get into all of this, man, because like I said, this this uh nice biologist uh is running across everything from mutilated cows to bones from a potentially extinct wolf.

Uh, and and on and on. Plus, plus there was some things Ben and I were going back and forth on uh the last few weeks.

There were some things that Ben wasn’t privy to talk about on the ranch that now he’s got a green light to talk about.

So, we’ll get into the the weirdness of it all.

Um, but first, how do you get from a career in in like raptor studies, biology, how do you get to Skinwalker Ranch?

So, that happened.

So, when Brandon first purchased the ranch, uh, there there wasn’t a show and he had no intentions of there being a show, and he had uh like Tom and Candace living on the ranch, managing it, had Eric, you know, starting to do the work there.

Um, Brandon from childhood has been an enormous fan of the Hutchings Museum where I work, and and he would come in and he was talking with us about it.

And he’s like, “Yeah, you know, I purchased a ranch. You ought to come check it out.”

And so I started to go do biological surveys and getting specimens, and and I started finding so many crazy things that nobody had, you know, they started filming the show and it’s like I’m finding things that I was I was there whenever they weren’t filming and I started finding such crazy stuff they’re like, “Ah, we got to put you on the show too cuz this stuff’s too crazy.”

But nobody was looking at it.

Everybody was looking at their, you know, very specific in-depth field that they work in.

And I’m like, well, there’s all these things with plants and animals and insects and microbes that it’s like we these are profound and it’s right in front of you, but if you don’t know what to look for, you don’t see it.

You just it’s just invisible to you.

So that’s that’s how that’s why I got pulled in.

Yeah. So Brandon through the relation Brandon loved the museum you worked at and invited you out to check it out.

So when what was the first indication when you out went out there that there is some anomalous stuff going on? What tipped you?

So, the the first two things.

So, when we were driving down the road to the ranch, uh, I looked up and over just over the ranch, there were these clouds that had these weird pits.

And I got pictures of it. I I’ll share with you.

Uh, and just over the ranch and this is a very common occurrence I’ve seen in in subsequent years is that just over the ranch near what we call the triangle there’s these weird pits and cloud formations that you know I I was going to be a meteorologist that was actually the direction I went.

I’m like, I don’t know what’s forming these it doesn’t make sense with the geography.

Uh, but then at the gate at the front gate we’re waiting uh for Candace to come down let us in and I look down on the ground and there’s a dead rabbit sitting right there.

Thought, “Okay, that’s interesting.”

I went out and took a picture of it.

No flies, no scavengers, no bloating.

Uh, the the art of decomposition is teonomy. And there there’s no tonomical decomposition going on internally or externally.

Went back the next day, went back the next day, and the whole time I was there that week, nothing changed.

And then finally the day I left, when I when we went to the gates, it was gone. No tracks and it was just sand all around it and there were no tracks.

So, something should have messed with it. A the coyote, a raccoon, the microbes inside should have started to uh bloat.

You know, when you when you die, then that gastrointestinal bacteria that is breaking down the food you eat, you’re not putting new food in.

So, they start eating your stomach lining and offging and that’s what bloating is.

Um, and it didn’t happen.

So, it didn’t stink. It was soft to the touch and it stayed that way until it disappeared.

I’m like, this is very strange because whatever this is, it’s impacting external scavengers from messing with it, but something internal is also not at work.

So, that blew me away right off the bat, right out of the gate.

I’m like, really? Right at the front gate, this is what you got? It’s crazy.

Well, I’ll put this out there. Uh I’ve talked to a few of your colleagues that uh you know work with technology or Chris in archaeology, Pete with technology and um both of them described a very similar entry point into the ranch.

By that I mean first day experiences, but the first day experiences seem to match what they could relate to based on their their field.

Whether it’s uh with Pete his expensive drone on day one and Pete was rolling his eyes >> when he came out there like this is pardon he he thought it was all [ __ ] and he got out there the first day and he gets the drone up there >> sees some kind of craft up there and Eric’s like yeah and and then his drone dies and and it he’s like this is going to be expensive when this thing crashes >> but day one and Chris touched on and and I he kind of off camera told me about an experience you know, after he met Tom and Candace that happened there.

And then you’re a biologist day one.

So, let me get this straight.

You you you see a dead rabbit at the gate >> and it looks like it probably is just dead because it’s fresh.

No bloating, no uh flies, nothing. But it stays that way, that same condition the whole week.

The whole week that we were there, no no no ants bothered it.

There’s there’s ants everywhere on the ranch. Big red fire ants. They left it alone.

Uh, and no no ravens, no crows, no magpies, no scavengers of any kind, no coyotes, no raccoons, nothing touched it.

And when we physically touched it, it was still squishy. Rigam mortise never set in. It was still pliable.

So we touched it and it was it was like a fresh dead animal.

It stayed that way as though you were halting or freezing the decomposition process, but almost in a time way.

Because again, if you just say, “Okay, we’re not going to let the internal bacteria doing anything,” well, there’s external bacteria everywhere.

And the second your immune system is not fighting it back externally, I mean, our skin would just I mean, you see what happens on dead animals on the outside of their skin, that’s external bacteria.

So, internally and externally, nothing.

And then the day we left, as we’re going to the gate, it was gone.

And there were no animal tracks near it.

Uh, so it had just disappeared.

It was almost like welcome to the ranch.

Yeah, exactly.

And that’s what, you know, and Pete talked about um uh again very similar um they talked about both Pete the technologist and Chris the archaeologist touched on how the phenomena seemed to interact with different people with different specialties in a different way.

And they said, you know, what you’re seeing on the show is like onetenth if even that of everybody’s got a story and there’s a lot of people that come and go from there and most everyone has a story.

So now what what year was that that that happened when you uh came on initially?

My brain says like 20 2016 maybe.

It was it was when whenever Brandon first purchased the ranch.

It was that same year.

Uh and it was before the TV show had started.

Um, so I think it was my brain says 2016 because when when was when did the New York Times UAP article came out? It was before that.

Yeah. And that was the UA uh the New York Times article came out in 2017.

Okay. So, so I think it was 2016. I think it was the fall of 2016.

So, yeah. See, in my mind, I’m thinking of you with the recent seasons on >> TV, right?

Like, but >> I’ve got stuff going back years and years and years before and most of the stuff I’ve documented isn’t on the show.

And um it drove me crazy.

Not because I care. I don’t care if I’m on the show.

I wanted I want answers firsthand that I can get myself. I don’t want an anecdotal answer. I want firsthand answers.

And so I’m like, this is stuff that people, other scientists need to know this stuff.

So they’re more brilliant than me. Let them percolate in their head and it’s not getting out.

So finally, I think last fall, I said, “Hey, Brandon, I’m doing a presentation.”

I made a big long list.

I’m like, “These things have not been in the show. Um, I don’t know if you guys are going to put it in. Can I please talk about these things publicly?”

And all but three of them, he said yes.

So I’m like, “Yes, get the information out.”

That’s awesome.

And I know you’d mentioned that when I approached you about this, you said it’s good timing because there’s uh you’re able to talk about it.

So, well, that changes things, doesn’t it?

Like, we’ve got 10 years of stuff.

Um, this will be a 4-hour podcast.

Okay. 2016 then in my mind is is when your entry point is to Skinwalker Ranch and you have the rabbit at the gate incident.

So, let’s just kind of walk down the trail till 2026.

So what’s what’s next?

So that same first week we went over to Homestead 2, which is where even from the Bigalow era, tons of stuff happens there.

Tons of stuff has happened to me there that weekend since.

But um there’s that kind of I don’t know if it’s like a well or something and you know, you can open it up and there’s been radioactive elements going on and sometimes it’s flatlined.

Right next to that, I mean 5 ft away from that well, there was a dead skunk and it looked like a taxiderermy specimen.

I mean, it looked cute. It was that like little face in there.

And we poked it with a stick. It was still soft and pliable.

And we thought, okay, well, strange. I didn’t think anything of it.

The next time I went out, like 3 weeks later, it was still there, untouched.

I’m like, okay, well, you should have microbes breaking this down.

It was there for three years.

Huh?

Three years. No decomposition whatsoever.

And I kept bringing up, I’m like, Eric, you know, we ought to like at least like film a little blurb about this for our own records.

So, him and I filmed a little blurb.

Like, here’s a skunk.

Look, we’re going to actually now contaminate the evidence.

We’re going to flip it over, look at it.

It’s like, it’s still intact, still normal 3 years later.

And then uh the next day, the very next day we went out and it’s like come on, this is ridiculous.

It was gone and in its place was the hand and wrist of a perfectly decomposed another animal like something prairie dog sized as if to say, “You think I can’t decompose? Here you go.”

And a tuft of that fur was wedged under a little uh uh like split piece of wood on the on the ranch house there.

And it it it was almost like it was messing with us and nobody else had been on the ranch.

I mean, it was just it was me and a couple other people staying.

So, nobody had gone over there in the middle of the night.

And how will they know to do that?

So, there’s 3 years the thing didn’t decompose. And then when we document it, gone.

That’s impossible. That’s stupid. That sounds crazy.

I mean, but sharing it, I mean, we did film it, but if somebody doesn’t believe it, that’s fine.

I am just reporting back what happened.

Take it as you will, but this is this is what happened.

That’s Pete touched on a little bit about his white whale theory >> the ranch was with GPS being >> it’s all dependent upon time and time syncing and somehow the ranch has the ability in areas to manipulate time >> then everything you’ve said right now is almost like with these specimens you’re finding that somehow just around them time kind of stands still until you make a decision to where you leave or you film it and then it says, “Okay, now I’ll show you that you’re not completely nuts and it does something like that.”

I’m >>

So that was was that the same year or was that like the next year that happened?

Well, so we when we when it disappeared on us and had the stuff over that was three years later.

Okay. So, so a lot a lot of other stuff happened, you know, before we that, but finally I’m like, it’s still there. It’s still there.

Every every time I check, it’s still there.

Nothing’s moving it. Nothing’s decomposing it.

And this is under a bunch of deciduous trees.

And every year those trees fall, the leaves begin to rot.

And then again, those microbes break things down. They make things moist.

And there’s no reason this thing should not have been breaking down.

Even with plant-based microbes, you know, forget regular um mamleon decomposers.

I mean, there just the normal stuff on the ground, you know, where dead leaves turn to soil.

It’s what should have happened to this thing and it didn’t for 3 years.

I think we could almost break it down like this.

Like let’s talk about cuz you’re a biologist and it’s presenting the phenomenon is presenting to you anomalous biological uh evidence and then I know personally you’ve had some more of the skinwalker paranormal uh experiences.

So let’s >> let’s let’s pivot.

Let’s talk about your paranormal experiences and then we can jump back in on the biological ones that stand out to you.

And of course, we we we don’t all know, but you should know if you’re watching this about the uh the wolf, potential direwolf, the cattle mutilations or the the UFO above the cow and the cow dies, those type of things.

I didn’t realize you were u with the cow and everything that you were also working with the show at the time.

So >> yeah, >> let’s let’s take us down the paranormal path and then we’ll flip back to the biological path.

Okay.

I think probably the first thing my first night on the ranch, this is Eric was going on and off the ranch at the time and then later on he was living there for years full-time.

Um, and so there used to be a spare room and uh a bunch of people were staying in with with my group were staying in Tom and Candace’s place and I was sleeping over in the spare room in the uh command center and I had the lights on and I’m like this is weird.

I’ve known about this place, you know, since I was young.

You know, I heard the stories. I remember it being in the news in the 90s and now I’m here on the ranch.

I’m like, “Okay, this is kind of strange.”

And I’m I have the lights on.

I’m in the bedroom and this sounds hokey, but this this is what happened.

So, I’m sitting there, lights on, there’s no internet access, at least not then on the ranch in any kind.

So, I’m just like looking through photos I’ve taken of the day, you know, looking at photos of the skunk and of the of the rabbit.

And all of a sudden, I feel something and I I look down and the sheets on my bed, it’s like somebody’s pulling them down.

Like two hands.

Not like your blanket’s falling off, but like pulling it pulling pull all the way down.

And I’m looking and I’m nope.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I just start pulling it back up.

I’m like, I can’t acknowledge this.

So, I pull it back up.

I’m like, okay, I’m just going to keep I’m going to put on an audiobook, start listening here, and I look down and it starts happening again.

And these are like crummy sheets.

It’s not like these are slicky, silky sheets or anything.

This is like a big heavy blanket.

And it starts pulling down again.

And I’m like, I cannot acknowledge this.

So, I just pulled it all up and wrapped it like in between my legs.

So it was 100% on the bed and wrapped interwrapped in my leg.

So it’s like you’re pulling me off if you’re pulling them off.

And I just left the light on and just listened to an audio book and just fell asleep with the lights on.

Which sounds very childish and very unscientific, but it’s like I’m alone in this building.

I don’t want to acknowledge this yet.

I’m still figuring out what this wrench is.

But it was it was like it was messing with me.

I would have ran like a little [ __ ].

So you don’t sound childish at all.

That blanket comes down four inches. I’m out and I’m like, “Eric, can I sleep with you?

I promise you that.”

Um, dude, that’s wild.

So, did you uh >> So, what do you talk about the next day over breakfast like when that happens?

Well, I I told them about it, you know, and I wrote it down in my journal and it’s like, hey, you know, this is, you know, worth.

But see, in the the early days, you know, I mean, this again before the show, there was sort of this sense of um what am I allowed to do?

What am I not allowed to do?

It’s it’s a privilege to be on the ranch.

Now, I’m constantly taking photos and videos, every angle, everything, everything, 3D stuff.

But back then, it was like, am I allowed to talk about this?

Am I allowed to uh, you know, >> um, to to document any of this stuff or, you know, and or even shared, is this taboo?

I didn’t, you know, it wasn’t really well spelled out.

I was invited as a guest to come and you know I there was one time where we were um when they started to have cameras that people could do online a few years later and one of our team you know we pull up and uh um Caleb and Bryant were there and they had guns out and and we’re out there and we were we’re catching butterflies.

We were doing a biological survey through the grass just running with nets and people online were like oh something big’s going on.

They’re getting out the guns and oh what are they doing?

Oh. Oh.

And and they’re they’re freaking out like it was some epic experiment.

It’s like we’re just doing a biological survey, you know.

So, there’s normal stuff that happens, too.

You know, we got all those samples here at the museum still.

But, uh, just the dead stuff.

It’s I hate saying it, but the ranch behaves as though it has as though it has a consciousness awareness.

Now we have to use that because if okay if you if you go into genetics we say things like well genes want this or a genetic motivation is this and as far as we know genes are completely unaware but they operate as if they are aware and have desires and motivations.

And so we use that verbiage and that’s how the ranch is.

Maybe the ranch really does.

It sure seems to be aware and conscious.

Um, maybe it’s not and it just operates in a way that that makes sense.

I don’t know.

But it sure seems to be very aware and be one step ahead of anything you ever try to do.

Man, it’s wild.

So, what what else have you not talked about that maybe is on the paranormal side of things that you’ve experienced?

There’s Well, there’s one I’ll share.

There’s one that I I hesitate to share.

Maybe I’ll share that one.

Maybe that one’s okay.

Um >> um and again, I’m not asking anybody to believe this.

Just um >> and see, I I’m kind of sensitive about this.

So, I two years ago, I had cardiac arrest. I died for 9 minutes.

And literally can’t and so much so that I was so dead that I had three post-mortem strokes.

Your blood starts to clot when you die.

And they brought me back and that’s that’s a whole separate story.

But coming back from that and having to reframe reality.

Um, and this story I’m going to share happened before this before that happened.

But now after the fact, like I’m really kind of sensitive about talking about things that have to do with reality and warping reality.

I realize that your mind can be warped even just by your own biology.

I mean, when I was in the hospital, I would just be looking at things and it just look like a bunch of weird random pixels.

And then when my brain would register what it was, okay, you see it’s a computer, a TV screen, or it’s a device, but it was just in front of your face, totally invisible.

So, um, this one night on the ranch, and I don’t share this one much, and again, if you think I’m crazy, I don’t care.

I maybe I am, but this is what happened.

So, uh, Tom and Candace said, “Hey, we just read that we at this elevation we might have fireflies.”

And I said, “Oh, that’s cool. I’ve never seen fireflies. I want Have you ever seen them?”

“No.”

“Okay, well, I’m going to go out and see if I can see them.”

So, I went out by the helicopter pad.

I’m looking around like a dumb little kid, and what am I looking for?

Fireflies.

And I get right up by the fence.

And so, I’m maybe of the the the fence for the um the the helicopter pad.

So, it’s like big bars.

And I’m about two feet away from the fence and all of a sudden about two feet on the other side I have the visual memory of two figures about my height.

And it was like if you saw if you were standing next to somebody in a ghillie suit and suddenly realized it’s a person.

You were like right.

I had that reaction.

I was like ah there’s people there.

And I started to back away.

And as soon as I did that I look over.

Why would I look away?

I look away and I see this blue about the size of a marble glowing blue light come out of the grass in the helicopter pad area where I am and it starts moving towards me like Tron.

These are very left angular movements moving towards me and I’m like oh I’m trying to get my phone out trying to take a picture and then it starts to go back in the exact same path that it did and it disappears.

And I I was like huh that’s strange.

I’m going to go inside and see if they got it on the cameras.

Well, after the fact, I my visual memory of those people is is like a translucent cardboard cutout.

And so, what I think uh I’ve talked with Eric about this for hours and what I think is that I did see something and that they’re like, “Well, you’re not supposed to be seeing this.”

And that my mind was interrupted.

Kind of like a quick scan and we’re going to dangle keys in front of this.

You come here, little kid.

You wanted to see a firefly.

We’re gonna give you a super quick rendition.

Fireflies aren’t blue.

They’re not round.

They don’t go in angular patterns, but it’s like, quick, look over here, idiot.

And then I went inside.

Why wouldn’t I stay over there and look?

It’s a really weird experience.

And again, the people there, you know, that some of the people saw me on some of the security cameras that weren’t filming and they saw they saw me like backing away, but other than that, I don’t have proof that it happened.

But it was one of those things where it at the time I I was more focused on the blue glowy thing.

But now I think the blue glowy thing wasn’t even there and that those people or beings or whatever they were were there and that they interrupted and redirected.

So you have visual information come in, it gets interrupted before the brain translates it.

That’s what I think happened.

But that was weird.

No, we had a guy on the show uh last year that has a theory about a sphere network, right?

And it’s Patrick Jackson.

And he talks he with paranormal things in in houses and outside that the sphere network which on the ranch we we talked about the ranch when he was on like you see these formations and and and I don’t know it is what it is.

It’s his theory.

It’s his theory.

But this ability of them to distract people either to or away from from where they want your attention to either be focused on or diverted from and in touch with maybe whatever your reference point is at the time.

In your case, if it’s fireflies, like we’ll create a that’ll get his attention.

And other people, if they’re in what they call a haunted house, we’ll we’ll have a uh >> uh maybe a noise or an associated haunting type behavior, and we’ll we’ll lead them downstairs instead of because they’re heading upstairs and we don’t want them to go up there.

Yeah.

And on and on.

So, uh that’s just kind of what came to mind when you said the diversion of I see these beings now I’m being distracted now. They’re all gone.

Um >> Yeah.

What? Uh, >> well, I had another one too at Homestead 3 that’s that’s worth sharing.

And this was this is my first day actually.

Well, and I I’ll share part kind of another fun thing, too.

So, uh, when we came onto the ranch, the dog who lives there, William, he had been attacked.

And Tom and Candace, they were still getting to know me, but they were kind of a little little sketchy about like not wanting to talk about what had attacked it.

And I’m like, was it like a dog? Was it a cow? What was it?

And they’re like, got got attacked.

And their house was beautiful.

They had decorated it was all hippie- dippy beautiful retro awesome.

They and when it when the sun set they had all these prisms in the window and they said, “Oh, look. It’s rainbow o’lock, you know,” but they had guns by all the doors and and it’s like, well, why do you have guns by the doors?

And they’re like, cuz this thing came in and we had to kind of shoot it back and, you know, kind of were not telling me too much about it.

But one of the local medicine men came while we were there and you know the William the dog had a cone on his head and the medicine man did a blessing on him and and uh you know cuz he had had stitches and stuff.

So So then all of us right after that went all the way to Homestead 2 and then Homestead 3 and we’re sitting there and the medicine man, Tom, Candace, a couple of people were over there by the homestead talking.

I was maybe I don’t know 20 30 feet away and I was looking out and I started to hear um voices.

Uh they were native.

They kind of sounded like udas tech you local tribe.

Um and I speak some Cherokee which is not a Utah tribe in any way, shape or form.

But I was hearing this and I’m like uh I’m going to

So I started speaking Cherokee back and all of a sudden those voices like they went quiet and they started talking to each other like like like oh is he hearing us?

Who where’s that voice coming from?

Like they couldn’t see me.

And so I’m just staring staring staring.

And Candace is like, “Ben, Ben, Ben.”

I’m like, “Yeah.”

Like, “Oh, we’re so worried about you.”

I’m like, “Well, why? What?”

And apparently the week before, somebody had been standing in that exact spot and had been looking out that direction and had zoned out and went catatonic and had passed out and they had to take him off the ranch to the hospital, make sure he was okay.

So that’s not what happened to me, but it was the same spot.

So that was unusual.

That was strange.

And I don’t know what to make of that.

But you hear you’ll hear voices on the ranch.

You’ll hear whispers.

You’ll hear talking.

And you’ll see these quarter, you know, it’s almost like it’s almost like those seeing eye what remember those like in in the ’9s those things where you may have make your eye see over and then it pops out.

You know those 3D things?

Yeah. Yeah. 3D like 3D glasses on a watching a 3D movie >> kind of like that.

Yeah.

So you’ll be looking at something and then you it’s like you’ll see something from from the peripheral vision which is in the black and white spectrum over here and then you look and you’re not seeing it.

You’ll everybody you talk to anybody who’s been on the ranch and they’ve seen things walking or moving.

Everybody’s seen it.

It’s so it’s one of those nonchalant things that and seeing UFOs is nonchalant.

It’s like not even a big deal anymore.

People are like, “Look, there’s one up there.”

Those things are not a big deal to people anymore.

They’ve gotten used to it that happen so frequently.

Yeah. Everybody’s just hoping to see uh something once.

Yeah.

So, you mentioned there’s another one other thing at one of the homesteads I think you were you were going to bring up.

Well, that was Yeah, that was the one was the the the the the first one I brought up was the one where in the over by the helicopter pad.

That was okay.

That was the biggie. That was the biggie.

That >> and I I don’t like sharing that one much because that’s the one that I have the least amount of, you know, corroborative evidence of anybody else.

Uh other than the people who were saw me on camera and the people who, you know, saw my reaction when I came in and explained it.

But you know now it seems strange but it it that’s something that happened.

So and you know what I try to put in perspective is the fact that after talking to a number of you guys is that there’s a there’s a yearround effort at the ranch.

There’s a lot of collaboration and when it’s time to film and whether you have a crew of the drillers, you have the camera crew, you have your own crew, um that what we see is an hour show.

What you see is like us minute by minute, day by day, hour by hour, week by week.

And when you say stuff like that, I I’m just I would love to be a fly in the wall like on, you know, lunch break like, “Yeah, I saw two shadow.”

What’s your count today?

I saw two shadow beings and I did see a craft today. What did you see?

Well, >> uh I lifted up the well and I got burnt by radiation.

Um, you know, I I uh it must change like when you work with people that’s not a very that’s not a nineto-five job.

Like you’re that’s the water cooler talk must just be mind-blowing.

And also how it does it really galvanize the relationships you have with people that you work with out there because you guys get to experience something that just nobody else gets to experience.

I mean, has it changed your relationships and is has it, I guess, deepened >>

Yeah.

with the people you work with?

So, it’s kind of different with the crew versus um versus anybody who’s doing experimentation.

So, the the film crew, they’re actually incredible people.

And with with film crews of any kind, usually there’s some people where there’s some drama.

Not this.

Like, all the people are tight. They’re good.

They’ve worked on, you know, Oak Island and different places.

You know, they’re they’re good people. They’re cool.

But most of them are not comfortable with it.

They’re like, “We’re having to work here, come here every day, occasionally be here at night.”

Uh, they’re not comfortable with the reality of it.

So, they just kind of like to shoot the bull about it and joke around.

If something really crazy happens, they just look at each other.

It’s like, you know, um, they’re not denying it, but it’s kind of uncomfortable.

Those of us who are there doing experiments, like, we’re angry.

We’re like, we want to know what on earth is going on.

This is challenging our areas of expertise where the film crew, they’re documenting where us, we’re experimenting.

So, it’s different.

So, um, but yeah, we talk about things and there’s there’ll be a few people on the film crew where they’ll pull you aside and be like, “Hey, you know, there’s really where” and they’ll talk to you oneon-one, but the camaraderie they have as a f film crew is like, we’ve got work to do.

We got to function filming you guys doing your thing.

So, we’ve got to just be in the head space of we’re working.

We’re working. We’re working.

They don’t have time to

But yeah, at night, you know, or just sitting around talking.

Yeah. At lunch, we’ve had some deep conversations.

And the people there doing the experiments, yes, we have the absolute deepest and most profound of conversations and spiritual conversations and scientific conversations and Yeah.

And it has brought us very close together.

Nice. Nice.

Um well, let’s do this.

Let’s make a pivot.

We’ll pivot to the kind of meat and potatoes of the biological anomalies that uh you know, we have seen on the show, but are they’re pretty dramatic.

And so, I’ll let you start where you want to start with those.

Um I’m going to share I’ll share one that I haven’t shared anywhere else that I can remember.

Uh and they’re never going to put it on the show. I know they won’t.

Um, one of the ones I I found was there’s a there’s a plant called a desert trumpet plant.

It grows in a mathematically perfect way. And I’ve even written out the formula for its growth patterns.

Like if you were a computer coder, you could put it in and generate.

And we found this one part of the ranch over the east field.

Then it would grow grow and then once it hits this level it I don’t know if it’s radiation can mutate DNA but that third growth would just just like this nasty gnarly spiral that went everywhere and all of them in the east field were that way.

Next year they weren’t.

So that may be nothing.

We don’t know what did it, but that’s something worth mentioning because we never talk about the plans.

Um, the cow, that one, they said, “Hey, we had a we had a cow die.”

And then come to find out, no, you had a UFO appear over the cow and then the cow buckled and died.

That’s pretty bold.

And I don’t know why we’re not talking about that more.

I mean, on in the daytime on camera, a UFO appears over the cow and the cow buckles and dies and then they they went and checked it out and it it did have some you know radiation and then it didn’t later on in the day but they had me come I don’t know a few weeks a month later and it had decomposed which I got to pause one of the things that I found I want to know what the rules of the ranch are we don’t know but one thing seems to be if you’re coyote to small deer sized or smaller you don’t decompose normal

If you’re bigger than that, you follow the rules more so like a cow, an elk, than they will.

So that cow started to decompose and they’re like, “Hey, Ben, come come give it a check out. Give it a look over.”

And when I came, that’s when I found the tooth mark through the rib that matched either a direwolf or a jaguar, which they didn’t mention.

We filmed it, but they they’re like, “Let’s focus on the direwolf part.”

But what they didn’t show is that the tendons had contorted the entire skeleton in what we call in paleontology the dinosaur death pose.

So mammals when we die we we go into the fetal position our tendons pull us in including a cow.

But dinosaurs they would spiral backwards.

That’s what this thing did.

And I’ll send you pictures over it like went and we we filmed that but they didn’t they didn’t put it in the episode.

I’m like, “This doesn’t make sense. This is not normal decomposition. This is not normal tophonomy. This is breaking the rules.

What would do this?”

I don’t even have a theory, but it breaks all the rules of decomposition on large mammals.

So, >> I I’ll send you pictures over.

It’s it’s nutty.

It looks tortured, >> you know, and to the untrained eye, which if you’re unless you’re a biologist, we all are untrained in that area.

Um did we might not think anything of that.

It’s a dead cow, right?

And and not know clearly not know what to look for, but the uh I do remember the tooth mark through the rib, right?

And and I think um and again all I me all I remember is that it was you know direwolf was the only thing they wanted to talk about but >> uh you’re saying that it also could potentially match a jaguar which clearly uh Utah doesn’t have jaguars right.

Yeah. Or it shouldn’t but now we’ve documented one on so we can get to that in a bit.

Um but but so I measured the tooth size >> and then I took I had a wolf tooth, I had a bunch of coyote teeth.

I had a black bear tooth and I took I took the next rib over.

So, here’s the rib that has the bite.

I took the next rib over as well.

I’ve got them both.

And I took a um a drill press.

I didn’t turn it on.

I just used it to, you know, to test how much pressure to go through.

And every tooth would shatter going through it.

I didn’t have a jaguar tooth and I didn’t have a direwolf tooth, but every tooth would not bite through it.

So, that’s carnivores.

Usually they eat something whole, but if if you’re getting to bone, you break off pieces and swallow it so you can get the calcium and the marrow out of it.

You don’t just bite through a bone.

You don’t puncture through it.

You use these side teeth. You don’t use the front teeth.

And that was a K9 tooth poking all the way through.

So I said, “Hey, it fits size-wise. It doesn’t mean that’s what it is, but it fits either a direwolf or a jaguar.”

Um, and they they weren’t excited about the jaguar part.

And it’s like, well, we had jaguars here during the ice age.

That’s worth noting cuz they there are claims that ice age animals appear on the ranch that and like dinosaur type things.

When I first got on the ranch, they said, “Oh, yeah, and there we don’t like talking about it, but there’s reports of a dino beaver.”

Like this beaver that was just like massive.

And I’m like, and the next time I came out, I brought this.

I’m like, uh, yeah, those are real.

This is this is castasterides.

This is like a 250, 300 lb beaver from the ice age.

It’s a it’s a recent extinction.

It’s something that would have lived on the ranch, you know, 7 8 9 10,000 years ago.

Um, obviously they should be extinct.

Nobody’s seen one.

But if you had a portal opening up, could do you have something like that going through?

People during the the Shermans and the Biglo era saw something like that, that’s what they would describe it as, a dino beaver.

Big old huge nasty teeth.

I mean, uh, so, you know, I you got to be open to things.

And if you find something that shouldn’t be there, is it there um because it’s coming through a portal or is it just like the cilocanth, you know, we thought it was extinct.

Turns out it’s not in this one region.

So, we have to open up that

Right.

And then it also when you’re saying that it kind of hearkens back to uh what Pete Kelsey and I were talking about the time, >> right?

Like well Travis and the portal, right?

Like the if you’re watching the show and and you see him diagramming and the testing and even the imagery that’s being created looks like a portal.

And then you talk about Pete talking about um the anomalous GPS and uh other technology that um is picking up this anomalous behavior.

And he kind of lends him to believe that time maybe can behave different in areas at the ranch and you put time manipulation and portal together and maybe you get dino beaver and direwolf.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, and and when we we’re I found on the ranch all the scientists are starting to use religious terms.

All the religious folk are starting to use scientific terms because we none of us have the vocabulary.

So, we’re using like, well, this kind of fits it.

Portal, we all picture Rick and Morty, right?

Portal opens up, you go through to another side.

Um, that is a visual that we understand, but just because we view it that way doesn’t mean that how it works.

You could have portals that cross over in all different directions and materialize in different ways.

And we just picture a circle opens up and something comes through.

And apparently they filmed one during the Bigalow era.

Uh I haven’t seen I don’t know anybody who’s

Well, we’ve had witnesses who shared that, but I don’t think that footage is public anywhere that a portal opened up this way and something came through and went out on the ranch.

Um, I have seen what could be called a portal.

I’ve got a witness, too.

Um, Charlie Larson and I were on the ranch and we went out to do some astrophotography and so we were between home between the homestead one and homestead 2 and we put our cameras out.

We’re taking pictures and al and I said, “You know, Charlie, sometimes this ranch seems spooky and scary and sometimes it just feels totally normal like there’s just, you know, like a normal ranch.”

And he’s like, “Yeah, like right now it just seems totally normal.”

And then as soon as we both said that, we heard a sound.

It’s like a cross between shooting a 22 bullet across the desert. That and maybe the sound of if you’re on a frozen lake and it’s breaking that that it was combination of those sounds.

And we look over and about 8 ft high, about 20 30 ft away, we see an expansion ring coming out.

And it was not generating light, but the front edge of it was pushing so fast that it was compressing the water vapor.

So, you had like a white ring coming out and and and you could see and then in the center it was a little little wobbly um a little like a shimmer like kind of like on water um as it was coming out and we’re like

And we didn’t see it open.

We but we heard the sound.

We both looked over and it was already maybe 10 ft open and went out and we’re like uh let’s get back.

So, we’re heading back and uh the ranch house and the command center right next to each other.

The command center went the power went off and then came back on and Tom came out and he’s like, “You guys okay?”

We’re like, “Yeah, did your power just go out?”

He’s like, “No.”

I’m like, “Well, it did at the command center.”

And he said, “That can’t be the case. They’re on the same breaker. If one goes off, they both go off.”

I’m like, “Well, we just saw the one go off, so you know.”

So, I don’t know if that was a portal.

I don’t even know what a portal really is, but it looked like kind of a white and clear version of Rick and Morty horizontally.

So, how far away, like when you’re when you’re standing there and you you make the comment approximately how far away did this this ring opened up in front of you guys?

Uh, how far to it?

Yeah. Like how far were you from it when it opened up?

30 ft.

So it was so so we’re we’re about pretty close and and and we hear and we hear it.

We both look over and when we looked over you know it’s 8 to 10 ft open already and expanding outward horizontally just above head height.

Like I could have touched the top of it heightwise where it was coming out.

I’m I’m 6 something and you I could have touched the top of it.

So it was expanding out just above our heads, but at our angle it’s like this is coming towards us, opening outward.

And so you just beat feet out of there when you saw it coming towards you.

Yeah.

Well, first we’re just kind of like, are we both we I I think we’re in shock for, you know, maybe 10 seconds.

And then I’m like, let’s let’s go back.

He’s like, yeah, let’s go back.

And we had our camera gear and our tripod.

So we’re kind of like, you know, like looking away.

And it dissipated out.

It didn’t. It wasn’t.

And again, this was not selfilluminating.

The There were stars and those stars were lighting up the

It’s like if you see videos when they have like those smart bombs that they’ll like throw in a cave and you’ll see this white ring come out first and then you see the fire and stuff come out after.

It was like that.

The the the extreme compression of energy was compressing water vapor.

So, we saw a water vapor ring coming out kind of like a I mean, it didn’t look like a cloud, but I mean, technically a cloud is compressed water vapor, right?

So, dipping out and then it it started to dissipate when we were getting our stuff and we’re looked up. It was gone.

And this So, this was at night time.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, >> man.

Um, and uh it it um reminds me of when the uh didn’t they do an experiment in the mesa where they put uh where the water disappeared?

Yeah.

Water and smoke.

And smoke.

Yeah.

The smoke uh >> down in going nowhere.

Where is that going?

Yeah.

Like the like these these pockets of of whatever this is, like you said, is it a portal?

I’m not even sure how to define it, but these these areas that can open up or um draw things in or pull things out >> um >>

And so >> well and on that if you if you go on Google Earth >> Yeah.

And you can’t get the best views, but backtrack.

And you can see this on the show, too.

If you watch, anytime you see the mesa, the mesa is sinking in on it on that spot right where they’re checking stuff out right near the triangle.

It is sinking in on itself. It’s pulling in.