And I go, “Okay, is this an actual threat?” Because again, like my the hair on the back of my neck was going off. I feel we’re being watched, maybe tracked.
Do I engage this thing? And the moment I go put my finger on the trigger, I don’t know if it went in on itself or rotated, and it was just gone. And I go tearing off after it, running across the canal, and Travis comes up behind me, grabs, he’s like, “We don’t know what the hell that was. Let’s not go running off into the sage brush.” You know, >> that’s how horrible, terrible movies happen.
>> Oh, that can’t be a craft. There actually is a large unidentified object circling the Earth. An incredible scene see.
>> Actually, we are very curious to know where it is you come from.
>> So, I don’t know about you, but one of my favorite shows is The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. And if I was a fly on a wall, I I’ve always wanted to go there. Today we have someone who’s sitting right at Skinwalker Ranch, Caleb Bench. Welcome.
>> Yeah, thanks for having me on.
>> It’s great to have you. Um, so what’s a badass like you? Marine, right? Cop.
>> How do you end up at Skinwalker Ranch?
>> Luck, I guess. Um, honestly, if the genesis of how I got here, um, I just got a call from my brother-in-law, Thomas, Thomas Winterton, and he called me out of the blue one day and was like, “Hey, uh, you want to come do security on this on this ranch?” And Tom at that point had been on the ranch for probably a year, maybe a year and a half. Um, I had heard stories from him and the family was all excited whenever he was talking about it and I and it was kind of one of those things I was like I’d heard you I was obviously hearing about Skinwalk Ranch but I was like it was outside of my realm of interest really. Um, and he just called me and was like, “Hey, we need some help on sec with security out here. Would you be willing to do it?” And essentially how he got asked, my understanding was Brandon reached out and was said, “Hey, uh, do we have anybody else that could help with security out there?” >> Your first experience on the ranch, was there something that happened that made you come to the realization that there’s something to this? Um, great question because this is I think a the deeper dive and I’m actually kind of working through a project right now where I’m writing kind of a book where that brings a little bit of this in. Um, so, you know, I grew up ’90s kid, right? So, I’m Star Wars, Star Trek. I am uh big into uh like uh other games, Starcraft, things like this, space setting, you know, but uh and then grew up with a an LDS background, but we weren’t the family that went every weekend. We were my brothers and I, we we joke we’re the black sheep of the family. Um, and but I can tell you growing up I always kind of had that thought, okay, there’s something there, you know, there is a higher power. And it was kind of one of those things where I had that personal journey, if you will, where I kind of questioned and I was like, well, I’m going to go do my own thing and try and find it or whatever. Um, if you had my little journey, if you will. But the big thing that happened was uh 2013 my dad passed away >> and he was 45 years old. I was 24 and growing up he was he was pretty rough character. Not in the way that like he was a abuser or anything like that but just very headstrong. Uh him and my mom always had their issues. Uh always fought. It was you know pretty rough marriage. They separated for a little bit but then they ended up getting a divorce when I was 19. Um, so my relationship with him in my view wasn’t that great.
And when he passed away, it hit me hard because it was one of those things where I was like, you know, it’s my dad. Yes, I still have, you know, he’s my dad. We have we still have a relationship. But it wasn’t what it could have been, right?
>> Sure.
>> And so that hit me hard because it was again, I’m 24. I’m going, “Oh, my dad’s going to have another 60 years, you know, or he’s at least going to make it till he’s 80 or something. There’s time here.” And and it and we were kind of working on it. It was getting, you know, but it it was just that, oh man, I’m not going to have those conversations. I’m not going to be able to, you know, have these conversations with him that I feel like we needed to have.
>> Sure. And so it hit me hard. I was very much being in the Marines, the college setting, again, I was in the fraternity, so I was in this party mode all the time. And it just is that thing that happens that you kind of take that step back and go, okay, what what really matters?
What is that what is this thing that really, you know, what’s what what makes life really worth it?
you know, this this whole shift in thought and I ended up having a very powerful um experience 9 months after my dad passed away in an LDS temple >> where um essentially I had a lot of those same thoughts that many people have had in the past, I’m sure, where you kind of start having this redirection in your life. You hit rock bottom. Uh suicide was obviously a part of this time in my life. I was getting more of those thoughts. I was very depressed. A lot of stuff going on.
Um and I end up start reading the, you know, the Bible and the Book of Mormon and really with that open heart and and really having an openness of okay, is it really real? You know, is there really something to it? And later in the in the temple essentially I was like okay if this is a place that they say it really is that it’s this holy place that you can come here to connect with Christ and all that um then what am I doing here you know right there’s no reason why because of the the way I’ve been living all this stuff you know a lot of these thoughts that probably aren’t new to a lot of people um And I was going in on what they call limited use, recommend or whatever. And I just had all those thoughts like, I can’t go here. I shouldn’t be here. You know, I’m I’m going to get kicked out of this place the moment I walk in.
>> Imposttor syndrome hit you.
>> Yep. Heavily. Very heavy. Um, and I told one person what I was thinking and feeling during this week. And it was I called him. He was a kind of this mentor at that point in time. And that gentleman was on an airplane going to Texas for a business trip. And I go and he’s like, “You’re fine.” Because I’m like, “Dude, I got tattoos. I’m like, you know, I’m I’m bearded up. you know, I’m not this cookie cutter image.
And he’s like, “You’re fine. Just like that’s where you need to go.” And I was like, “Okay.” But I still have those thoughts. I go um and I walk into this room where they do the what they call the baptisms of the dead.
>> Yeah.
I I’m assuming you’re probably familiar with this being out from Salt Lake or >> No, I I uh I grew up Catholic >> and uh then spent some time in Utah doing some work.
>> Okay.
>> And then moved away from it all and went into non-denominational on my own journey that we could spend four hours talking about.
>> So I’m I’m wide open, man. You’d let it rip.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Um, but anyways, like so I walk in and there’s this room where we do this ordinance and I, you know, I’m changed over into this baptismal suit where, you know, and we’re there to do 10 names is what they do. And there’s a whole process.
Anyways, I walk into this room and there’s this guy sitting in the corner and he like locks on to me and I’m like, “Oh, that’s the guy. that’s guy who’s kicking me out of here, you know, and he and like he just watched me though like a hawk the whole time. Um, and and it was kind of like those things I was like trying not to like make eye contact with him, but it was kind of that thing I was like, you know, if you’re out on patrol or whatever, you notice that kind of body language, you know?
>> Mhm.
>> And he just sits there. And there’s a couple other groups that go between uh before myself and like and the guy that you know I was the guy getting dunked in the water here and this and the other guy’s the one kind of doing the ordinance. And we get in and we do like five names. So I’m like drenched in the water and I pop up out of the water and there’s this dude, this guy that was standing in the corner, this older gentleman in a nice suit, but this is what this thing is. Generally when you’re in the temple you’re in like white clothing. This guy was in like a normal black or blue suit, you know, like a business suit kind of thing.
>> And he’s like leaning on the rails looking over me and I’m like, “Okay, you couldn’t have done this before I got wet, >> you know.” >> But he essentially gives me this message. U brother Bench, you’re right where you need to be. Christ knows you’re here. This is what you need to be doing. Like you’re going down the right road.
Never seen this man before in my life.
Had no idea who this guy was.
And like I looking at everybody else’s faces in the room, they were all like, “Is this really happening?” Because like that ordinance is like an everyday occurrence. Hundreds of people go through these temples doing this stuff.
>> So he he chose you and among that whole group of people and the hundreds that come out. This this guy was stared you down and chose you to give you that message.
>> Yeah. And it’s and it’s again he’s literally delivering this message that is basically the counter to my this internal conflict that I’m having the entire time, right? Like I shouldn’t be here.
Like I can’t be here, you know?
>> Mhm.
>> I’m going to get kicked out of this place. And this guy comes and deliver delivers this message to me, right? and le and he literally just says in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. And walks out and looking at my bishop and the the the high counselor uh and our bishop Rick and and all these other people, the temple workers, they’re all sitting there, their eyes are this big and I’m just sitting in like, “Okay, is this like normal?” You know, kind of thing.
And uh I I remember sitting there and there the workers and the bishop are sitting there going, “What do we do? Do we let them finish the names or let’s get them out?” And I’m like, “Yeah, let’s let’s get them out and let him go change and kind of like think about what just happened.” And essentially, I’m sitting there in this room and my bishop comes up to me about 20 minutes later. He’s like, “Do you know who that was?” I was like, “No, I have no idea.” And my bishop’s like, “Well, I just was asking around. that’s the vice president of the temple.
So essentially there’s like they have their group of like three or four guys who run the temples and these guys, you know, they’re not coming down to deal with like once a month they’ll come down and make sure everything’s running right that there’s never hasn’t been issues or whatever.
But I guess this guy came and sat in that room for like 3 hours.
>> Almost like he’s waiting on you.
>> Yeah.
And so, and um essentially it was like, well, what the heck? You know, you tell me what that guy was doing in there. And and again, the only guy I ever I told how I was feeling was on an airplane going to Texas.
>> Right.
>> Right. Um and then it gets really crazy is because the next day I’m driving to Boisey for the Marine Corps ball where my unit was at.
Uh, and my grandpa calls me cuz I, you know, I posted something on Facebook about like had a crazy experience in the temple, yada yada. He calls me. He’s like, “Hey, um, what time was that at?” I was like, “Oh, I don’t know, about 7:00.” And he’s like, my grandpa just got real quiet and he’s like, “Uh, I was in getting my recommend recommended for the temple.” And and and this is like a five-minute process. you go in and meet the stake president um and you’re in and you’re out. He’s like, “We were in the middle of this and my stake president was like, “You need to pray like right now.” Like, I don’t know why, but you just need to start praying like right now. And my grandpa’s like, “What?” And he he tells me that he saw me in the font and my dad was there.
>> And like and and this is where like I just remember going, “No way. My thoughts are going nuts.” And I just get hit by this like force and I’m in the I’m in this place between Pocutello and Boisey driving like 80 miles an hour and I just remember this energy coursing through your body and it was just like the only thing I’ve ever read or that like fits it is when you go into the Bible and it talks about the fire of the spirit.
>> Yeah.
>> Like consuming your body kind of thing.
And I was like that that’s the only thing that I’ve ever been able to explain to people like and it was just wave after wave. It was nuts, >> man. So that was uh that changed the trajectory of your life then.
>> Oh yeah. Um and that was where um a lot of there was a lot of other stuff going on in my life at that time. And a year later um I is when I married my wife. We had like a 2-year period there where we had our ups and downs. And >> obviously with dad’s passing, there was a lot of hard stuff going on.
>> But when we got married, we were introduced to kind of like a, you know, one of the self-help people. Uh, his name was Kirk Duncan. He’s, you know, think like a Tony Robbins or Bob Proctor, that kind of individual. And because that year after after I had that experience in the temple and I really started rethinking things, I was going man like I’ve wasted so much time of my life like not learning actual knowledge that actually helps you, you know. And I was like, there’s got to be something that like fast tracks you. And we get introduced to this uh other u modalities and stuff. And I was like, oh my gosh, like this is exactly what it is. Cuz it’s the truth that you see in these books, you know.
And fast forward to when I I get asked by Thomas to come onto the ranch Halloween 2017, and I’m still working this other day job that I hated. And all, you know, for the last 2 or 3 years, I was going, man, there’s got to be something better. Like, there’s got to be a better way, you know, and one of the tools that I learned from that guy was you write your own story.
>> And it’s very similar to like a goal setting thing, but he’s like, “This is really the sweet sauce of really making it work.” And the way it was described to me was the first paragraph when you write your story, it’s like you’re writing your story of how you want your life to go. And that first paragraph, you have to put something so crazy, so out there that all you could do is laugh if it happens.
And don’t be surprised how it happens.
Just be open to it, you know, because it’s like let let the universe let God do the work. And so my first paragraph, me being again like I’m yeah you like Star Wars and stuff and you know yeah, when I came to the ranch I wasn’t like oh no this is all bull crap. I was like, “Okay.” Like, I started Tom was telling me the stories. Um, my mother-in-law had that George Knap book >> for the skin walker.
>> I made it through like the first 30 pages.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and I was like, “Oh, this is interesting. That’s cool.” You know, the direwolf story and all that, but then it just kind of got boring. I was like, “Okay, just lost interest.” Um, so that was like, you know, all these little elements, if you will.
But then I write this story on January 1st, you know, New Year’s Eve. I was like, “Okay, if all this stuff works, you know, all these tools that I’ve learned, like this is going to be me putting it to the test.” I was like, January 1st, I wrote that story and that first paragraph was act in a Star Wars movie.
>> Close, >> right?
>> Close. Your security at Skinwalker Ranch, >> right? And it was and I and I and you know at that time there was no talk of a television show >> right >> early 2018 >> right >> wasn’t a blip on anybody’s radar uh and and I learned you know you put some other stuff in there nothing too descriptive you know too descriptive because you got to let the universe work >> um and so I put in there like I got good relationships with the you know the crew the people there it’s a good positive experience and then I put all other goals I wanted to have in life, you know, how you want your marriage to go, things like that, whatever. It’s your story.
And uh and I So I read that like three times a day with like epic sounding music, you know, for every day for months.
And then Skinwalker Ranch, my first real experience happened in June 2018 where I’m out with this these two people. I’m babysitting them. We gave him Brandon gave him permission to come out for the night. Um, and essentially I’m out there by Homestead 2 and uh, Homestead 3 out in this field and we see a light above homestead 2 and it was descending down above homestead 2. Um, and there was a flash where it was like everything lit up green.
Like it’ll replace all the lights in a room, black it out where it’s dark like night and then flip on the light and everything’s green. So I could see everything around us and it was 1:30 in the morning and then there’s this light buff onstead too and all this stuff happens. I’m going, “Okay, something’s going on out here.” >> So it was like a flash that was it localized or did you could see everything like >> Oh, it was it that Yeah. I could look around like it was broad daylight and it happened for one or two seconds, you know, and then when that flash kind of went away or, you know, that’s when there was out of the corner of my eye, I could notice whatever that object was above Homestead 2 as coming down out of the sky.
>> So, how does Okay, so let me ask you this.
>> Here you are. And great leadup, by the way. We know now everybody’s going to know more about Caleb and warts and all, but that’s I like that the fact that you you had your darkness >> and you had your come to light moment, change of trajectory, married. You get you get your first taste of the ranch.
Brandon’s got a couple people that he’s like, “These are >> however they got there, they knew Brandon and wanted to check out the ranch.” And so you’re the guy >> that is being the escort >> and what you just described happens. Uh yeah. How did So now your security training or your law enforcement training being a Marine, what was your first thought? What did you think you should do? Or did you not know what to do?
>> Oh, it was I I knew we like I I didn’t have that feeling like, oh crap, we’re in danger or anything like that. It was very It was just very remarkable, if you will. And so I immediately took out my phone and kind of typed up a report and sent it to Brandon and Eric.
>> Okay. Hey, hey guys, this just happened.
You know, A happened, B happened, C happened. Very methodical and sent the text off. It was like, I don’t know how to explain this.
>> And that was 2018, right?
>> Yes.
>> And so, when did you actually, all right, you’re going to be like a permanent part of this show? When did that happen? What year was that?
So, I was very much becoming, you know, the daily guy on the ranch for security at that point. Uh, and this is actually around the time that I stepped away from the other job and put myself through the police academy. Uh because again I I wrote that one story in January of 2018 and we were out I got told um like August cuz we had another guest come out uh the prince from Likenstein uh Prince Autumn Vaughn.
>> Wait a minute. The prince of Likensstein came out and won the visit ranch.
>> Yes. because he was tied to some other research um and that was like Dr. Jim Seagala was a part of that kind of thing. And so a lot going on there and that’s why why I was becoming much more involved and I was always out there doing the security side. Um >> and then >> we’re standing out there. It was like late October, early November, I want to say, where they actually did the pilot for the television show, >> okay, >> where they did like 15 minutes, sent it to the to History Channel like, “Hey, this is what we’re looking to try and do, >> you know, and I was just sitting out there going, “Holy [ __ ] you know, I could just laugh >> like you.” It’s like, it’s not Star Wars, >> no, >> but it looks like I’m going to be on TV.
>> Yeah. And uh earlier we had a little incident with some uh devil worshippers where they trespassed on the property, did some damage to some of the fencing to get on. Uh and that was where I really went, okay, you know, yeah, I have my military training. I have all that stuff, but how does law enforcement >> Yeah.
>> look at this? I want to be able to protect myself from lawsuits, you know, actually fulfill this role in a better way and and give that knowledge to Brandon and protect the team uh in that in that realm. And then obviously and then I was kind of like, well, if the show’s happening, I’m not going to be a mall cop on national television either.
So, um so I put myself through the academy. So, that was a 9 month 9 to 10 month process. uh became full LEO uh got hired on with Duchen County Sheriff’s Office and they were really good about working with me. The sheriff was really uh great about working with me over that time. Um and so I was able to do both uh do the security side out here do come out here every week and spend time and learn the ranch.
uh had other stuff happen uh where like one of my eyes got hit by some kind of energy and um pretty much at this point all I can think is it’s a direct energy weapon.
>> So wait a minute, you’re you’re on the ranch and some kind of Did you see anything or just your your energy hit you in the eye?
>> Nope. So obviously with the show coming out and one of the topics of discussion was is potentially what people are reporting out here cuz you know other stuff had happened uh with some other individuals and and Brandon had an experience multiple team member Thomas had an experience Eric’s had experiences but they were like is this radiation is does radiation play a role in this? So, they got this group from the INL up in southeast Idaho, uh, where it’s a big facility up there. They have like 80 companies. The the Navy’s up there. It’s a big nuclear reactor. That’s where my grandpa worked for years. He helped develop like the nuclear submarine stuff.
>> Um, so this company comes out, Qualtech, with, you know, gammaray detectors, uh, radiation detectors, chemical, biological detectors of all, you know, you name it, they had it. These are the guys who trained the military in how to use mop suits and stuff. It’s very extensive.
And we were up on top of Homestead uh the mea of Homestead 2. I have my sunglasses on and I’m just standing there. It’s 5:00 in the afternoon time frame. You know, I’m just like hanging out with the guys and I something I just like remember my eye went dry and I was like, “What the hell?” And I took my, you know, I was like, “Oh, I didn’t feel like something got in my eye, but what the heck?” And uh I don’t know if I can have it on my computer, but I have a picture of my eye where I went to the eye doctor because I woke up and it felt like my eye was getting ripped out of my head. I was in so much pain. Um and it was just like, “What the hell?” Now, did they uh what did the doctor say?
>> Well, that’s he said it the surface of my eye. He was like it was as if it was ripples on the surface of the eye. And he’s like And he said you’re lucky that it was the surface of the eye and not underneath.
>> So, you got like involuntary lasic from whatever it was.
>> Yeah.
>> How’s your eye now?
>> Um I did lose prescription like a little bit like one or two points. I had to get it corrected. Uh but it’s I haven’t.
>> In fact, you know what you can do is send me that when you get it and when we edit this I’ll I’ll include the image of it.
>> Yeah. And I’ll It’s right here.
Very close.
I’ll just show you real quick and then we can >> I don’t know if that >> I don’t know if Well, but I’ll I’ll do an overlay when we get it. But >> it’s funky from here. Um, >> yeah, I’ll send that to you. Um, >> so let me ask you this. So you, uh, now you’re on the show, right?
>> And you’ve seen some things.
What, uh, cuz for me it seems like these things happen in different categories, >> right? There’s the energy, the frequency, there’s lights, there’s craft, there’s even in the homestead uh I guess you would almost call it like beings or entities and um maybe even even a portal.
How has the phenomena for you changed from like when you first got there to you wrapped up another season here recently? Has it evolved? Has it changed or has it been consistently just all of it weird?
>> I would say that it’s remained constant, but our understanding of it obviously improved.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, so like I I bring up the eye thing because you fast forward to season 5 when we’re out at the drill site in broad daylight and a calf gets microwaved, >> right?
and you can go find the photos of what those calf’s eyes looked like and it’s blind. And to me, I was like, “Holy shit.” And I went back and looked at the picture of my eye and was like, >> “Could have been, >> you know?” >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I’m like, I think I got hit by the same thing.
>> You know, that was wild, man. that the calf that just started freaking out and then his eyes are are white >> and like he got microwaved. That’s crazy.
>> And and we we have re we have video recordings of that calf 30 minutes prior. It was just fine.
>> And I’ve never seen a calf act like this. The rancher, we have a video of it that we showed the rancher and his dad who’s been ranching, you know, his entire life. 80-year-old uh the the rancher’s son who we deal with more now running the cattle out here every year. It’s very much like they they were like I’ve never seen a calf do that >> and and and and that’s like that this one example I’m sitting going why how are people not really paying more attention after that?
>> Yeah. And then when you go and look at that picture of my I sent it to you on Facebook for you. Um you compare those look at the damage there and it it you literally caught live a recording of a calf, you know, potentially in a in a mutilation state. I don’t know.
>> Yeah. You know, let me ask you about that because um the cow mutilation thing and I know in the book The Hunt for the Skinwalker and I’m going to have somebody on the show that spent like 20 years investigating cattle mutilations and a lot of it in around your area. Have you ever um you did have a few cows that died. Have you guys ever found any any mutilations in your time you’re there?
>> I have a picture of a I have a picture of a horse from last year >> on the ranch. Not on on the ranch, but it was very near to the ranch. Yes.
>> Okay. Yep. And it was mutilated. Huh.
>> Oh, yeah. I don’t know what else would do the damage that’s in that photo.
>> That’s freaky.
>> And that’s Yeah. And that’s where I’ve been shown other photos from other individuals in in the area. Um I know that you know going to the law enforcement side other officers have come to me and like yeah I’ve responded to this type of uh call where I couldn’t explain what happened to that animal.
>> Yeah. And you know with again back to all the different types of phenomena I mean we see the show I love the show right I watch it watch it and and uh I see the rockets being deviated from a force above that that’s in the air and drones and I see >> radio spikes and energy anomalies. What for you like what’s what’s the like creepiest thing that you’ve ever seen on the ranch?
on the ranch. Creepiest thing is that calf.
>> Yeah, >> that’s the that was the one thing that um really made me question my involvement.
>> Really?
>> Yes. It that all the other stuff I’ve I kind of go, “Oh, that was freaking awesome. That was cool. That’s exciting.” Uh like when we had the drones drop on us, for example, that was I thought that was exciting. Yeah. It was It’s ex It’s It’s dangerous. Yes.
you know, but I’m I’m like that’s kind of my job, >> right?
>> Is to be in kind of dangerous um situations, you know.
>> What about for yourself? I Okay, I said creepiest and you saw that at night. Do you stay like in one of the trail? Do you stay on the ranch at night when you’re shooting at all?
>> I I have stayed overnight. Yeah. at different times and and I’ve had some weird things happen. Uh, obviously Eric and Travis probably have a little bit more experience sleeping overnight, but I’m 15 minutes from the ranch, so I go home. I I have had things happen at my house uh over the years, and I I guess you could say some of that is in that creepy realm. Um, and >> describe like creepy. Describe some of the stuff going on at your house 15 minutes from Skinwalker.
>> Okay. So, probably the craziest one, and I won’t go too much into detail uh on some of the circumstances from that night, but I went home. It was a fil during filming, and usually I’m up till midnight anyways, but for whatever reason that day, I was like, I I’m tired. I’m I’m wiped out. and I went to bed at like 10:00. Well, something happened on the ranch and it was pretty serious circumstances and I woke up at 12:00.
That was that was 12:05 and I was like screaming, “Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, cuz I’m thinking, gun, get the gun. Get the gun.” And I was like, “What the hell?” Like, I scared the crap out of my wife.
Uh, I thought I woke up our our youngest. He was I think uh a year old at that point maybe.
And I’m just going, “What the hell?” And like I’m in fight orflight reflex. My heart is pounding. I’m like ready for a fight.
And I get my phone like, “Oh my.” And I was like, “Something’s happening on the ranch or something. Something’s got to be happening on the ranch. I don’t know.
You know, I’ve never had this happen.” And I pick up my phone and I start texting, typing out something to Travis.
And I have this thought, uh, if something was really happening, they’d text me or call me.
And I again look at the phone. It says 12:05.
And I, it takes me like another hour to finally like really relax and calm down before I can actually fall asleep again.
I come on to the ranch the next day and one of the other guys is like, “Do you know what happened last night?” I was like, “No.” He he tells me the situation. I was like, “What the heck?” And I go up and Travis was like, “Yeah, dude. Like this this stuff happened. This was going on.” And I got the phone out and was like, “We got to we got we need to call Caleb.” And I was like, “When did you do that?” He’s like 12:05.
when you shot like Bolt upright out of bed freaking out was the same time they were thinking of calling you because of something going on out there.
>> And he’s like and I was like he’s like yeah I had my phone out and I was literally typing out a message to you at 12:05 and I was like I don’t want to bother him. I think we can handle it.
>> You know um talking to Chris Roberts right your buddy archaeologist had him on a couple weeks ago >> and he was talking he put it to me like this. He said, “At the ranch, we see about 5% of what goes on just because there’s a show, you got people on the show, you got to do it, but there’s staff, there there’s camera crews, there’s a technology people that come, there’s other people that come and go.” And he said if you talk to most of them, almost everyone has a an experience.
And he he put it to me like this that he felt that the phenomena will show an individual what it wants to show that individual and it almost seems like with Chris stuff that comes out of the ground.
Chris says, “I don’t see anything up in the air.” >> Yeah.
>> All everybody else that is equipped to provide technology to measure things in the air and do things, they see that.
>> And and I’m thinking, where does that leave Caleb? like you’re you’re kind of in the middle. You’re like the everyman in a way. So, >> yeah.
>> Do you see stuff in the air up there? Do you like when you know we’re seeing this, we know that it’s shot at a certain time, but do you see craft and lights and stuff all the time up there or sometimes?
>> Basically, when it comes to different phenomena that people have described, I think I’ve seen probably everything except probably the an actual skinw walker and say Sasquatch.
>> Okay. when I’ve heard people describe different experiences, things like that.
I’ve seen like sh a shadow figure. That was another thing that happened at my house uh one night. Um >> in your house, >> not the ranch, at your house. You saw >> at my house. Um uh my son’s had stuff at that he’s seen at the house. Um I’ve seen Yeah, I’ve seen Craft on the ranch. Um, we have the one recording from season 2 where it we haven’t you very good video in the middle of the day the this craft flying around and doing maneuvers that shouldn’t be able to happen. Um, and then uh actually season one I was down away kind of from everybody cuz season one I wasn’t actually a cast member.
>> I was just strictly security. Uh, so I wasn’t I was in like six of the eight episodes, you know, like they brought me in a little bit. Um, but the one day they were out and I saw a cloaked object above the ranch.
>> Um, >> so like a craft a cloak craft above the ranch.
>> Yeah.
>> And >> when you say cloaked, like almost like the predator cloaking.
>> So yeah. Um but it was I would say its capability was much more um advanced than what say if you think like the Predator in from Arnest Force the first Predator you know it’s cloaking effect it’s it’s good right if it’s standing still you you kind of don’t see it but when it’s moving around you can see it pretty well you know obviously they got to make it so that the audience can see it.
Um, but I’m surprised I even saw this because it was broad daylight. It was like 4:00 in the afternoon and everybody was up by that stone circle that’s up on top of the mesa. Um, and I was about 200 maybe 100 yards south of them off by myself. plugs was trying to stay out of the way and I was start watching these birds come through the air and essentially they went behind it and you know that uh effect when in like a fun house or whatever where things elongate and do weird stuff behind mirrors that’s essentially what happened to these birds and I was like what the hell?
>> So the birds fly behind this and you just see their uh they get distorted like a fun house mirror.
>> Yep. And I and essentially I was just sat I just sat there and looked at this area >> and that’s when I actually started seeing like the outline of it and I described it as like a bar of soap >> where it has like this rectangular elongated shape but rounded edges. And then um I actually got a video from when I went to uh overseas on the trip to Fiji and there’s two or three panes of glass on the airplane and you can kind of see this distortion through the glass. I have a recording of that because that’s kind of what the edge of this was like after I was able to see it. But through the middle of it, you couldn’t tell. It was perfectly clear.
Um, and it was stationary and I was going, well, I don’t want to yell because I don’t want to interrupt stuff. But then at the same time, I’m going, this is real. Like, because I had that whole like, am I just saying something? Am I going crazy?
And so, I started walking backwards cuz like, okay, if like if I lose sight of this, I don’t know if I’m going to be able to like locate it again because it was it was that good of camouflage, if you will.
>> How big do you think it was? Uh, I would put it probably the size of a, you know, I don’t know, 8 to 10 ft long and maybe 6 to 8 ft, you know, tall. But I put it about 100 ft away from me.
>> 100. Yeah, very close. Um, and essentially I started walking backwards to try and get someone else’s attention and be like, “Hey, look at this.” And when I started moving backwards and tracking it, it started picking up.
It started moving and basically came this direction towards uh the command center cuz I think it realized I could see it.
>> That’s wild. Um I mean he we’re talking about Bigalow, right? a few people that have been associated with the ranch I was talking to about Bigalow and um talking about how there was a frustration where setting up devices or recording in an area that’s active and things that happen and once you get that set something happens on the other side of the ranch that’s different like it’s always playing with you or pulling your attention away or or attracting you to a different area that it wants your attention. Um, do you do you get a lot of that there or is it because I you guys do measure a lot of stuff. So, I don’t know how I didn’t think it maybe it didn’t count on like a Travis Taylor coming out with rockets and, you know, a million drones and the technology upgrade, but um, do you see it kind of evade or try to throw you off the scent and and maybe have you focus in a different area once you set up shop in one area?
>> Yeah. Uh I would say we definitely measure different things like that. Uh where for example we’re doing something at the triangle and we do have certain boxes and some equipment located say at homestead 2 or homestead 3 or over here at the command center and we record um data at these different locations. Um but then another example of this I would say is our telescope experiment from uh I believe it’s year three and we’re going out there specifically to track stars through the airspace above the triangle if you will cuz the idea was okay is there some kind of distortion that we can track visually so that’s where we brought out the the astronomers and the astrologologists.
>> Oh I remember that. Yeah.
>> Right. And they have smart telescopes. They have an old-fashioned mirror telescope that was like 20 ft long, you know, as mechanical as you can get cuz that was very much part of the discussion that night, right? Well, stuff starts happening with those telescopes act as if it was actively stopping us from using the telescopes to do what we were wanting to do. And we’re going, “What the heck?” And so yeah, we went out, Travis Bryant and I went out to the triangle and because of what happened in season one with one of the laser experiments, I always wanted to go into the triangle and shoot a laser straight up.
>> Mhm.
>> And that’s what I did. I had the opportunity and that’s where I hit the first thing I saw that happened was the laser hit something and then there was a space and then the laser continued and it was like no [ __ ] way, >> right?
>> And that’s when I yelled at Travis and Brett, hey guys, come look at this. I I did it like multiple times. They come over and that’s where you we start seeing the laser like hit something that splits two beams. Uh it whatever it was was moving and and then we could see the laser bending and we got that steel from um I can’t remember which device it was that Bryant had and you see that laser beam bending.
>> Yeah, that would freak me out, man. And it was like that threw us off on a whole another discussion like from >> you know of going what the heck what’s going on?
>> It was optical but it was completely different. And then we did see the one like one of the largest UAPs that night u down on the south end of the property here moving and it you know Jupiter was out. It was a really good night to be be out doing this type of stuff and that thing was like bigger than the damn moon it seemed like.
You know what do you think? What do you dude? What is up? What is that thing above the triangle? Like what? Best guess. What is it? I know you you you got Travis there. You guys talk on camera. I know you guys got to talk like hours. What is it, man?
>> Man, I can see all sorts of different possibilities at this point. And and I I can tell you with some of the information that we got from this last year that’s going to be coming out, we measured something that shouldn’t be scientifically possible.
>> Little I wish I could go in.
>> Yeah. A little you’re you’re under a little NDA territory right now. So I get it. You can’t But >> but >> but we I will >> Yeah. And I I’ll say we measured it multiple times.
>> Mhm.
>> With with that drone swarm and and that drone swarm the the things that Sky Elements has done for data collection with those drones is phenomenal. It’s crazy and and I’m I’m really excited.
>> Nice. I’m I’m looking forward to it, too. So, here’s an area I want to pivot to a little bit that you you you mentioned direwolf earlier and then I’m thinking, okay, so you guys find when you’re dragging the river to to measure what you’re measuring and you find this >> skull or partial skull, >> you take it to uh Ben, right? Is that his name?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Ben.
>> And what’s what’s Ben’s title?
Basically, what’s what’s he do?
like he’s a he’s not just a veterinarian. He’s uh >> sorry. Uh you guys are kind of having a big glitch here.
>> Can you see us?
>> I can hear and see you. Perfect.
>> Okay. Um sorry you kind of blocked out there.
>> Okay. Well, we’ll edit that. But I can you good?
>> Uh I’ve I heard uh what was Ben kind of >> Yeah. What was What’s Ben’s title? Like what’s is he is he a he’s not just a vet, right?
>> He’s a biologist.
>> Okay. He’s a biologist. So Ben, >> you take this skull that you find or this >> jaw and Ben >> and I almost didn’t believe it when I watched it, but he’s matching it up to a direwolf >> like legit which has been extinct for over 10,000 years >> and there’s been reports in the in the hunt for skinwalker from the first family that >> one of their first you early time there a large looked like dog it got bigger.
It’s like this is a big ass dog and like this isn’t a dog, it’s a wolf, >> grabs a snout out of a calf, >> puts puts a few caps in it, son gets a 30 yacht six, shoots it, chunk flies off, and it just kind of calmly walks away >> and they track it to the the tracks disappear. It’s like that’s a direwolf when they’re looking it up and then now you find a skull that matches that. What So what’s are we going to learn any more about that skull?
>> Um, yeah. So you man lots of different directions here. So um obviously our first initial reaction when we find that carcass in the river we were like oh this is just a big nasty dead coyote >> or a nasty dead res dog.
>> But we were like well the whole purpose of us doing this was to take samples and stuff. So that’s where we went and took that that jawbone um sent off to band. It took two weeks for Ben actually analyze it and for us to be able to have the time in the schedule to go and um work or you know sit down and him give us that presentation and he walked us through how he figured this out.
So another part of this too is go back to like there’s a interesting connection here because we brought a a a gentleman out by the name of Travis Wall. He was the nephew to the Shermans.
>> Okay. during the that those stories, he was the nephew who watched this wolf attack the cows and he told and so this is where we were going, okay, what did you see? What do you remember? Obviously, this is like 30 years ago. He’s in his 40s now.
And he was like, well, we killed it.
Whatever it was, it didn’t just run off.
We shot it and killed it and we buried it somewhere over there.
And we were like, “Okay, >> that’s news, >> right?” And so he gave us his what he remember seeing. And and again, this is where it was like another interesting thing because I had my experience again where I saw this club thing above the ranch and I was like, “What the hell?” I didn’t tell anybody. We brought Travis out that next year and the year after and he related seeing something what he called eggshaped above the triangle that was cloaked. Both he and his uncle saw it. And I was like, “No way.” And that that’s kind of been a theme for me is I experience something and years later or a month later or something happens where someone sees it, reports it or we get other evidence and I’m going, “It’s the same thing.” >> Yeah.
>> Um and so come to the direwolf, we hear him going, “No, we shot and killed it.
It’s we buried it somewhere over in that direction.” Obviously, I don’t know, can’t pinpoint where we buried it, but it’s over there somewhere.
>> And so, we’re going, “Okay, that’s interesting. Why change the story >> in the book?” >> And we’re going and he was like, you know, he’s an 11-year-old kid, you know, go through the thought process.
Obviously, we know when Biglo came in, he put the other individuals under NDA, but he they never put him under NDA >> cuz they’re like, “Oh, he’s just 11 10year-old kid, whatever.” You know, who’s going to believe what a 10 or 11 year old kid sees in 20 30 years? But then and and this is where I think it’s important when you say me as a law enforcement, I go, “Okay, let’s go look at what we call the totality of the circumstances here. We had a cow die at the end of season 4 on the ranch and we tracked it and it’s de uh and things were, you know, scavengers were coming in eating on it, all this stuff. And we found and we brought Ben out and he found a rib bone where something had punctured straight through this bone.
And he’s he went through and took that skull or took all these different skulls from the different predators in the area and the only thing that matched the size and would have the power to puncture that bone was a direwolf.
And that happened a couple weeks before we found the carcass in the river.
>> And >> yeah, okay, go ahead. I was just thinking in my mind the order of operations on that. I thought it was reversed, but no. Yeah.
>> And that’s where I’m going. You know, all these things I’m I’m telling you like every one of these circumstances I I can do this. Like I can show you that sequence. So anyways, Ben finds that tells us that, reports to us that it looks like a direwolf has punctured this ribbone. A couple weeks later, I get a message with audio from an a very good friend of mine, uh, a native, a Shosonyi individual. He, uh, Don Mitchell, he’s been, he’s actually the individual who came out to look at this burnt post years ago, but he sends me a recording. He was 3 miles south of the ranch um, a couple days before we did that riverw walk where he found that skull or that carcass. And the message was, “Hey, if you’re out at night on the ranch, don’t get too far from your truck.” And I have this recording where it’s something howling.
And a lot of people are like, “Man, it’s Sasquatch. Like, it’s crazy what this recording is.” And and I didn’t really listen to that recording that night. So, I was like, “Okay, Don.” And I was, you know, we were filming. I was like, “I can’t focus on that right now, Don.” But then we go out, we do that river walk, we get that carcass, and then Ben tells us, uh, this is a direwolf if you look just at the physics, you know, just at the physiology of it.
And I’m like, what the And and I’m sitting there going, no [ __ ] way. And I go back and I listen to that recording. I’m like, you got to be kidding me.
>> And was it like not coyotes? It was something.
>> Oh, no. like this thing is very guttural, very it’s crazy. I’ll I’ll send it to you. Um, and when you listen to it, I there’s two of them. At the beginning of the the audio, it’s as if it’s far away. And that’s what Don if you talk to him, he’s like, “Yeah, it was like far away.” And then there was like a hill that was he was standing at the base of and the next one. And I I whenever I let people listen to it, I I always know when they hear the second one because it’s very pronounced and it like very like it gives you chills.
>> Send that to me. I want to hear that.
>> Yeah. And Don said it was on the other side of this hill and he books it to his freaking truck. And that was again a couple days before we find his carcass.
And when you go back and listen to Ben and again Ben’s background is he puts he he worked for a sc for a museum putting animals skeletons together. He’s he can identify he carries around like a little box full of just different skulls.
American mountain lions, American cave lions. Like he has all these different skulls, you know? He’s he he knows what he’s talking about. He knows what he’s looking at, >> right? And he go and he identified that carcass as a juvenile direwolf.
>> That’s wild. Let me ask you this. Is does stuff like that because when you say it and you see it and you have a a legit biologist test it and that’s his findings, does any other do you get interest that we don’t hear about from the scientist scientific community about stuff like that?
>> Um that and and so you know you asked the question earlier about like are you going to get followup on that? So, we sent that some one of the teeth to do DNA testing on it and you kind of see those results in season six.
>> Okay.
>> And it comes back inconclusive. And how I how it was explained to me was this is you can only test against known samples.
Nice.
>> So, we sent this DNA sample off to this company who is doing research into try and clone Ice Age animals and all that, right?
And they have like 30 samples of known uh samples. Eurasian grain wolf >> wolves. Yeah.
>> You know, all these different canines.
And the two potentials are when we get the sample back and it comes back that there’s like a 10% match of DNA and it matches to a Eurasian greywolf or a Greenland wolf which aren’t even on this continent. Those are the two pieces of DNA that come back to it with the most success if you will.
And then 90% of it they can’t identify.
The two options are is it’s int the DNA is intact but they can’t identify it or it was or that 90% is so damaged that they can’t do anything with it anyways.
>> But going back going okay if you can’t identify it against the known samples that’s exciting.
>> Yeah that is. In fact, Chris, when I was talking with Chris, uh, this now this element of the direwolf sampling, but you’ve got potential unknown DNA and a biologist saying this this looks like a direwolf.
>> You’ve got ceramic, you’ve got metals, and all these testing from people that, you know, Chris is a pro, right? Like you said, I know every paste that you’re going to make Denny wear with for for ceramics and then you go and the thing disintegrates and reconstitutes itself and you got metal that you said like of every piece of metal you have there’s a box there’s a check for it and that doesn’t match it.
>> So you’ve got physical like biological, you’ve got the ceramic and you’ve got metals that just don’t add up.
I I I got to believe there’s some real scientific interest in this that is beyond the show.
>> Well, and this is where I I guess the best way to say it is when we got say the DNA samples back, they weren’t going to say that it was a direwolf.
>> Right.
>> Right. Because in the science community, you can’t go against the grain.
Right.
>> Right.
>> And and Chris, I’m sure, will tell you the same thing in the archaeological community. If it is outside of what’s deemed the story, you’re going to get ridicled. You’re going to get outcast. All that stuff. Same same thing with a lot of this different stuff. Oh, I know there’s offline conversations between Travis and Eric and other scientists, but those other scientists have to be careful about coming out and >> yeah, >> you know, talking about stuff >> because of that because if you start destroying that box that they want everything to fit inside of, you know, what what are the implications there? And you get these people who are spending literally their entire life and their entire life’s work propagating the same history, if you will.
>> Right. That that’s a good point. So I was going to I was going to say this.
>> People get changed when they have interactions with phenomena over time, right? You, Chris, others.
>> And it makes them rethink. You hear a lot about, this is a little extreme, but people say, “Hey, we’re living in we’re living in the matrix.
What we’re being taught is a lie. We’re being taught what we’re supposed to be what they want us to be taught.” >> Yeah.
>> Um, and then you have black helicop. You have clearly the government is watching you.
>> Oh, yeah. We know. And and we’ve had interactions with some top officials, especially in the Trump administration, that show extreme uh interest in this.
Yeah.
>> And a lot of them are fans of what we’re doing. And you know, and that’s why we believed that you’re not going to get real true disclosure except through private means.
>> Yeah. I I had a conversation with Jim Sagala uh a couple months ago and you know, we’re not holding our breath to have real disclosure come through the government.
um it’s going to be done by private people that are qualified that are really looking into the subject. So talking to uh it was Jim Sagala and he >> had uh >> you know he goes around and and he’s been involved with studies with Hal Pudof and Eric Davis but he was talking about getting you know I I was bringing up to him the scientific community like is it more receptive now to this as far as academia science and he said there are some groups kind of moving forward that they’re trying to get funding for and he felt strongly that if disclosure is going to happen with like what you’re doing and what he’s doing where it’s not going to be coming from the government.
It’s going to be tested and experimented and investigated by people that will take it seriously and are just there to simply see what the phenomena is all about. But now it kind of tails into we get Trump coming out last week with I’m going to try to get this declassified because my my biggest point with that is that we’ve I’ve seen this movie before where you get okay we’ll roll out what we have and you get pages and pages of heavily redacted unclassified documents that were that are already unclassified and even not a lot of information there.
>> So the jury’s out. The jury’s out on that. But um I think what you guys are doing there is that’s the alternative, right? Is going to a place that has this high level of strangeness. I mean, you know, nuts. And you know, it’s not like you’ve got trying to raise money through a university. You’ve got Brandon Fugal just by the way happens to have some money >> to be able to put into it. Um, but what are your thoughts about the disclosure and the talk of that recently?
>> Uh, I I kind of shared the post um and was kind of following that discussion obviously. Uh, again, this was never my realm. Right.
This was never my main, oh, we’ve got to know if aliens are real. Right.
>> Right. I I I I kind of fell into this and and it’s just and and look, I’m out here like I’m on the ranch right now obviously and in a way it’s still not even real to me that there’s that many people that are following the ranch, right?
>> Yeah.
>> I’ I’ve Brandon, other individuals who are connected to the show say like they can’t walk through the airport without getting stopped like 10 times now because of the show. And I’m like, I don’t see that, you know, being out here all the time. And I I shared a post from J Stratton on X, you know, he was sharing what President Trump put out in regards to talking about disclosure. And I said, you know, it’ll be interesting to see what is released.
I wouldn’t be surprised like what you just said if it’s heavily redacted or you know it’s very minimum and I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually did come out and go hey yeah we have bodies all this stuff right because whether or not they do actually put out anything of substance I’ve always told people if you believe it why do you need the government’s permission to believe >> or as I’ve uh someone put it that was an experiencer. They’re like, “Disclosure’s already happened for me.” >> Yeah.
>> You know, uh I don’t need someone to tell me that they put their stamp of approval on it that hasn’t had an experience. Um let me ask you this. Do you think, and I don’t know if you’d know or not, it’s kind of a wild question. Do you think Brandon and Trump have ever spoken?
>> I’ve I don’t think they have.
Um, I know that again we’ve I know we’ve had discussions with individuals that are in the Trump administration and Travis and Jay uh Strat and obviously with the UAP task force, they rub shoulders with a bunch of individuals in the the administration. Um, we’ve we have a and what’s coming out, I won’t say his name, but we have a sitting US senator who comes on and we have a discussion with him. And that’s probably as much as I can say.
>> I get it. Um but we are definitely as the ranch team and doing and this investig the investigation the last couple years we are leading the a a part of this discussion with what we’re showing because whether or not it’s say aliens or whatever you want to put there or if you know there’s a crowd that thinks all demons there’s the crowd all this stuff right because like me personally I’ve had experiences on and off the ranch now where I can categorize experiences as definitely more of a spiritual side.
>> Mhm.
>> At least that’s how I can comprehend it and put it in those boxes and and that’s how the only way it makes sense to me. And then but then obviously and I’ve shared many of these stories with you where it’s much more technological. It’s much more maybe it’s something else.
And a major part of the discussion and with the investigation is if it’s not say ET running around out here [ __ ] with us and it’s a near pier that raises more questions because if it’s a near pier one why would they show the capability of what they’re able to mess with technology and do these things in instantaneously where we’ve had a white hater come out onto the property go through the data, have these discussions, and go, I can’t do this. It would take me at least 10 to 15 minutes with the all the best computers and the computing power and the supercomputers and the AIS. It would take me at least 15 minutes to do what this just what just happened here in a second.
H >> and and you know this guy had his own bodyguard because he’s put people away that you know let’s just say many of them are connected to say what’s going on in Mexico right now.
>> Yeah.
>> You know the there’s people who want this guy dead and for him to come out and go uh I can’t do this >> like that kind of that kind of hacking is above his pay grade.
>> Yeah. and he’s going, “If this is a capability, I don’t know about it. And if it’s near pure that has it, that’s scary.” >> Yeah.
>> You know, and that goes into more like what we see with the GPS. The GPS is one of the biggest canaries that we’ve had over the last couple years of the investigation. And again, that’s been a major part of the conversation of going if it’s affecting GPS this way real time, what could it do to a Tomahawk cruise missile? What could it do to all these systems, your private vehicle that runs on GPS?
They want to go to these self-driving cars or whatever or self-driving airplanes. What happens if something messes with the GPS real time and makes that airplane think the airport is a mile to the left?
>> Because that happens out there on the show. I mean, I I see what Here’s what freaks me out is I see that physically you guys are watching the helicopter.
>> Yeah.
>> But the GPS says to them that they’re somewhere else.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> And you’re all just wa wa wa wa wa wa wa wa wa wa wa. You’re all really right there on the ground above them, but that disorientation and the GPS >> being tricked is wild.
>> Or underground readings when it’s above ground and it’s reading >> it’s going underground taking readings.
Like how is that even possible?
>> Right. And then and so that’s the question. Is it just messing with the timing of the clocks in the GPS or is it actually messing with the GPS itself?
>> Yeah.
>> Or the device. And I would say the best evidence of that real time something messing with the system is go to the sky elements experiment where it’s drone again and we have 300 drones drop out of the sky instantaneously. Right. And when you go through and understand the system and the programming, the time it takes to program the flight into every one of these drones and they had a their a redundant system and we had two swarms half a mile away from each other. And they’ve done this in other shows, in other areas where they can send that command in that system and both drone swarms take off at the exact same time, execute the flight and do what they’re supposed to. But when they come out here, they have three geo fences. And these are their this is the safety and security side of these of the system where the first geoence if they cross it, it sends a command, hey, get back into formation or whatever, right? It kind of and if I remember right, it kind of stops the drone where it’s at and just sends it back home early if for whatever reason it crosses that first geoence.
The second geoence is like another 100 ft outside of that.
And if it cross if the drone for whatever reason crosses over that, it sends a command where it slowly just comes straight down.
And then there’s the third fence where it issues specifically a kill command where if for whatever reason a drone crosses that fence of that imaginary line, it gets the kill command like you’re done. You’re dead and it drops it right out of the air.
And you when you go and watch and you see uh over by the triangle area where I was, where Tom was, where he’s fisticuffing with this drone underneath the tent, those drones that dropped out of the air, the geoence, and they show you this that something moved to those geo fences half a mile away to the other location, instantaneously.
And that’s why all those drones fell out of the air.
>> That’s wild. That’s wild. And it’s like I can tell you Preston and those guys pre I’ve never seen Preston freaking out like this in all the years he’s been coming out here because obviously you’re going to get the crowd. Oh, they just programmed that [ __ ] That was a half a million dollar night just in equipment for Sky Elements.
>> They’re they’re not going to just throw money away like that.
>> You know, it’s a good point. A buddy of mine was arguing with me about this same thing and I told him I said look if you want to Google like any of these technology companies that come out there they’ve got a reputation that’s not based off of what we they do at Skinwalker Ranch that’s just them coming out and they’re bringing more equipment in one night than this whole room’s net worth and all the property collectively.
Do you think it’s something like, well, let’s for the show, whatever they get paid even to be on an episode or five, it’s not even close as to why they would even risk the equipment and the reputation as a business to do that. So, for me anyway, it it uh when I see that stuff, I I I know that it’s not like, hey, I know let’s make all these drones.
Let’s just kill them for the show.
>> Yeah. you know, >> well, and and and to that point, a lot of these guys now are donating their time.
>> Yeah.
>> Because there’s they see stuff going on out here that they can’t explain and they’re intrigued themselves now and they’re going, I don’t care. I’m I just I’m going to bring my stuff out and we’re going to figure this out.
>> I get it.
and and multiples of these individuals that come out the first time we we try and compensate them from my understanding you know.
>> Yeah.
>> And they we you know they charge whatever they charge then they come out many times they have these experiences and then subsequent years they’re coming out going I don’t you don’t even have to pay me I’m going to come out because this is crazy. I never see this anywhere else.
>> No. Um, well, let’s do this because before we wrap, I want to do a couple things.
>> First off, if when you’re watching this and if you noticed that um Caleb’s face and the the appearance is a little different, it’s cuz his laptop died. And uh is it Skinwalker that it died or he just forgot to charge it? You be the judge. But um >> it’s cuz I was an idiot. Forgot my thought. I grabbed my power cable.
>> Come on, man. Roll with it. It’s a ranch. He’s sitting at the ranch right now. Um, so let’s do a little lightning round.
>> Yeah, >> we’ll call it that. Um, when you were going to get the phone, you had mentioned you pointed to a spot where something really crazy with you and Travis happened. Let’s let’s talk about that and maybe two others that you can kind of >> rattle off that are just wild.
Okay. So, I pointed to an area and if you want, you can throw a little section of that if it makes sense where I’m pointing to that spot. This was season 2 and we were out barbecuing real quick for the night. Um, just kind of de decompressing. It was very early on in our docky series uh that year. and I started hearing a noise behind me that sounded like an electrical arcing or maybe like a really loud um bubble wrap popping or something and I was like, “What the hell?” And I just started feeling like I was being watched.
So, I got up and actually repositioned myself on this picnic bench cuz Thomas, Travis, Eric, and I were sitting out there barbecuing. Thomas and Eric were sitting across from me and I remember them putting their heads down together because they felt the shift, if you will, the energy. And about 30 seconds later, I hear that sound again. And I tell him, “All right, guys. I feel like we’re being watched.” And we all got real quiet.
And we hear the sound.
Tom and Eric get up and come stand out in the roadway. I pulled my pistol because it has a flash it has a flashlight on it. It’s not it’s not the same one, but it’s the one that I have right now. So, same flashlight.
And I go and check that on cuz initially I’m starting to go, okay, is this like a mountain lion? Cuz Tom scared a mountain lion out about 50 yards from where we were eating.
And Travis comes and stacks up with me, puts his hand on my shoulder. He’s got a pistol. Uh, and we go walking around this trailer.
I’m sweeping the messa because my light lights everything up.
I get to where I’m looking at the corrals out here and I start swinging my pistol back across. Out of the corner of my eye, I see this object.
Travis starts freaking the [ __ ] out, losing his mind. Holy [ __ ] What is that? Excuse the language. Sorry. Um, and it’s like the the adrenaline just kicks in and I’m going, “Okay, I got to It takes me.” It feels like I forever swinging my pistol over and I see this rectangular object and across the surface of it I see a like a flash of light similar to if you’re on a boat and you’re skimming across the surface of the lake and you see the reflection of the sunlight off to the side. That’s what this was very similar to. across the surface of that object. I could see paneling, little geometric pentagons, and it w it was very similar to if if you’re looking at some science fiction shows or one of the things I’ve equated it to is there’s a game called Starcraft and that some of the cloaking and some of the shielding in that has that same pattern.
And once that light goes across it and I see it’s amberish gold and it’s very reflective and then a ball of light comes across the surface of it and I go that’s the my gun light reflecting back at me.
>> Ah >> and it stops in the center. I’m dead center on this thing and I see two figure two shadow figures underneath it and I’m going that’s Travis Knight’s reflection in this and I go okay is this an actual threat?
Because again, like my the hair on the back of my neck was going off. I feel we’re being watched, maybe tracked, you know, insert whatever word you want there. And my six sense is going off.
And I’m going, okay, is this a threat?
Do I engage this thing?
And the moment I go put my finger on the trigger just to be one go, you know, I’m ready to engage this thing. I don’t know if it went in on itself or rotated and it was just gone.
>> Both Travis and I had the distinct feeling that it went up to the mea.
So, I don’t know if it was attached to something bigger. I I didn’t see any of that. I was focused on that rectangular area. And I go tearing off after it, running across the canal, and Travis comes up behind me, grabs, and he’s like, “We don’t know what the hell that was. Let’s not go running off into the sage brush, you know?” That’s how horrible, terrible movies happen. I was like, “Yeah, you’re right.” Um, >> that’s wild, man. Um, is that is that the top top one or two high strangers you’ve experienced?
>> That’s probably top one exciting, adrenaline, crazy things I’ve I’ve interacted with >> on this ranch.
>> Well, that’s a good one then. And that’s one that we don’t see on camera. So, that’s uh that’s wild. You you see us kind of explain that situation in season two.
>> Yeah.
>> First at the end of season uh episode one and beginning of episode two.
>> You see us walk through that experience.
>> Uh was it almost like the the bar of soap thing, but you think like a square >> that you described the >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Very similar. And and that’s where I’ve gone. I don’t know if it was the same thing because it seemed different and it was much smaller.
>> Yeah.
>> But definitely same shape.
Uh and again, that’s what I’m I don’t know if it was attached to something bigger uh or if there was other parts that I wasn’t seeing just because the reflectivity my light reflecting off the surface of that whatever that was lit lit up that whole area.
>> That’s wild.
>> So, >> well, thank you. That’s a good one. And so let’s do this to wrap. I wanted to I wanted to ask you this.
>> Your concepts and ideals of phenomena before these years on the ranch, um, a lot of people I’ve talked to that have experiences now talk about a higher level of consciousness, uh, being able, it’s changed them, right? Yeah.
>> How, how has it changed you?
You know, kind of going back to that experience where my eye got wounded or hit by whatever it was, Eric threw out, “Maybe that’s why you can see so many things now is cuz you got implanted with something.” And I’m going, “Thanks for rocking me to bed uh to sleep tonight, Eric.” But I was always asked very early on uh because people find out, you know, I’m very much faith based and yeah, have a belief in Christ and God.
>> Um and they’re like, “Well, if it’s aliens, will that destroy your faith?” I’m like, “No, >> cuz we’ve been told in many of these books, if you pay attention, that there’s other life forms out there. If anything, it just reconfirms it.” Um, and I guess I I guess it’s changed me in the way that I’m definitely more open and willing to have conversations about this topic and and it’s much easier for me to believe things.
I’m still very much let’s try and get as much information and evidence as we can.
And I’ve I’ve been shifting more the last couple years of being willing to share more of those stories that are more anecdotal like what happens at my house. Uh >> yeah, >> what Travis and I interacted with that night >> cuz we I try to stick to what we can show and >> and and that’s been very fun still, you know, the the photos that I have, the recordings that I have of some of this different phenomena that’s happened. Um, but overall I I think it’s been a good change. You know, overall I’m it made me a better person, I think.
>> Well, sure beats working at the bus place or whatever you’re talking about, >> as far as level of excitement. Well, listen, I appreciate it. And before before we do rap, what what do you want people to know or is there anything you’ve got coming up that you want to, you know, give yourself a shout out with on anything you’ve got going on? And yeah, >> floor. I I guess I’m getting more serious about trying to use the platforms, you know, to talk about the beliefs that I have and obviously we have a lot of stuff going on in the world. So, I’m I guess I’m kind of sick of sitting on the sideline.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh but I am working on some personal project. I got working on a book that bro br br br br br br br br br br br br br br br br br br br br brings some of this experience together and not necessarily a Skinwalker Ranch book but just other information kind of like a um you know like a Tony Robbins type thing where if I can help people see that these tools that I’ve used have helped me maybe they can help other people and using some of these experiences like that story I told you.
Uh, so I do have that coming out and working on I guess starting my own, getting more information out there on Instagram and X and kind of making more of that stand of, you know, this is where I’m at and I’m kind of done like everybody else with all the crap going on and the only way we’re going to fix it in my mind is we have to start with ourselves and start changing the culture that’s around us. So just working on a bunch of those different projects and that’s where some of that information is going to come out uh is on So yeah, if you follow me and all that good stuff, I appreciate it and >> obviously look forward to seeing you guys put this out and always enjoy having these type of conversations. So again, I appreciate you having me on and u thank you for, you know, I hope I brought value to your your channel here.
>> Yeah, man. It’s great to have you on and and uh we might be trying to get up to phenomenon. Uh >> great.
>> Yeah. And I’ I’d love to be able to, you know, see you guys face to face. What we really like is to uh put a bug in Brandon’s ear that we got a couple guy.
You remember the guys with the big green flashlight and he said, “Hey, just walk these guys around the property.” We want that to be us. But I don’t I don’t know if that ship is sailed for Brandon to do that with like >> uh you know citizens like us that have no that no value to the show or to Brandon at all. Uh but you could put a word in, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Well, listen man, all the best. I appreciate you taking time. We look forward to the next season and let’s see you and I will stay in touch. And people follow Caleb stuff. Caleb Bench, which is ironic because he can bench like 400 lb. um follow him on his socials and and give, you know, support a brother.
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
>> Thank you again.
>> Good talking.
>> Yep.
>> All right. Later.
>> Thank you.
